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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   20 Jul 2022, 22:29
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If your methods were 100% ethical, clean and honest, you wouldn't have to get agitated in trying to defend yourself. Just saying.

Btw it seems that you are unable to deny that your employees tried to deceive people by posting fake reviews IN THIS POST. That says a lot! Please, the right thing to do would be to own it. We all understand that test prep companies rely on advertising to get more aspirants to sign up, but the least you can do is play the rules fairly.

P.s. Tagging bb so that this post does not go without notice.
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EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   20 Jul 2022, 22:58
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Thanks for the ping - it is unfortunate that people did not disclose their affiliation and interest in the company :(
Their comment would still hold water and would be stronger if they said "Hey, I have used eGMAT for my prep and it did great and I have since joined the company because I believe in it and I recommend you try it out - here is a week of a free trial type of thing" Now it is this....

I am disappointed... and for a number of reasons... 😥

I am not sure what to do yet but I will go ahead and mark these accounts as "e-GMAT employee since xxxx". I don't see any issues with the reviews that were written but posting as a user, one is expected to disclose their affiliation with the product they recommend. I always do that with GMAT Club tests (if I ever recommend them, but I rarely do for that reason). I think it is a good rule to follow and perhaps a new rule we should introduce on GMAT Club is that all affiliations must be disclosed for transparency sake.

Solid investigative reporting on the part of Dragoon088!
Great job - I would not have thought to check and it is good you posted - it will hopefully prevent things like this happening again in the future, so never hesitate to post your concerns (think first I guess - that's always a good rule but I would not hesitate to post what's on your mind).


P.S. My other thought is that posters had 1-3 posts only so this was not systematic (like they had 300), so I am hoping you busted it early and this will be a good lesson to anyone trying to fake posts or testimonials... as to reviews, they seem legit since they were written before employment and that happens sometimes - people get recruited to work for a company they like the product of.
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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   21 Jul 2022, 06:24
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There is a reason why the saying exists - Hindsight is always 20-20. And that is exactly what applies to this scenario.

The intent of my asking our students turned employees to provide their experience with the e-GMAT quant course to the original poster was simply so that he can see all the perspectives about the e-GMAT course and make the right decision about his prep. And in that pursuit, Rida, Srushti, and Akash upon being instructed by me posted their honest opinions on this thread. And this is why they only spoke about the e-GMAT course and not about TTP's (since they had not experienced it and hence had no insights).

And frankly, if our intents were truly maligned or if we were there to mislead students on this platform, then I must say, we did a crappy job as a company - who in the right mind would ask their employees to "stealthily" post using ids that have their names in it - srushtig or to post using the id that is linked with her video interview - Rida's.

Now as I said, hindsight is always 20-20. And that hindsight happened when I read @dragoon008's post. At that point, I realized my mistake - I should have instructed them to add a disclaimer in their post - they started their journey with e-GMAT as students and are now e-GMAT employees.

And for this failure to have them add a disclaimer in their posts, I am truly sorry.

Disclosing Company Affiliations
Thank you bb for making this a foolproof process for us. I see that as a silver lining!

Now that you have added the "affiliations" tag next to their accounts, in the future, while offering help to students on GMAT Club, if they inadvertently forget to mention that statement, at least we would not be accused of wrongdoing when truly our intent is to help.

In fact, I will also go a step further. I will tell them to add this disclaimer in their signatures as well! Let's make it more foolproof in case the reader does not see the affiliations box on the left-hand side of the post.

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bb, I have a couple of requests for you. And I hope you will heed them.
1. If you believe what I have said in this post, then please clean up this thread for any accusations against Rida, Akash, and Srushti, because if what I have said is true then the accusations made against them are baseless. Please understand that never would I ask you to remove any accusations against e-GMAT.
Also, please have their LinkedIn profile screenshots removed from the thread.

2. Please address the accusation that dragoon008 has made for GMAT Club reviews - "No wonder 2000 out of the 2400 e-GMAT reviews on GMAT Club are fake, manufactured, or paid." We are tired of hearing this accusation time and again and I would sincerely request that you educate the community about the fairness of the review process that you have created on YOUR platform.

I hope I have been able to address the concerns raised on this thread.

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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   21 Jul 2022, 07:40
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Hi bb. Thanks for proving me right and a bunch of people wrong.

Context- This was being discussed on a group chat and everyone was like bb and GMATClub gets $$ from e-GMAT they will obviously delete this.
Somewhere I knew you would do the right thing ( I just developed an image like that about you by reading your posts haha) and you did address it and not censor it. Boom I was being ridiculed on the chat now I am proved right.

Thanks for taking the communities stand and calling out the wrong.

Its a request from a group of us to not delete this post, let the aspirants see the real picture and make a good call.

bb The screenshots posted is publicly available info and causing no harm to the mentioned people.
So I request you to not delete it and let the people see the real picture.

A lot of people have saved this thread and will start posting it on other forums and here as well which will Put this awesome forum and mod team who work so hard for our benefit in the bad light.

And prove the guys saying that 'GMATClub works in their partners favor not in the communities'.




As for Payal's reply - She is just loosing $$ so she is asking to clean up.
And if you care about your employees image, personal info etc.

Let me recall what your husband did -

Search - e-gmat-is-a-money-grab-with-terrible-customer-support

On the gmatclub forum and you'll know.

He posted a persons personal info, picture, name and threatened him to get fired on Facebook.
When the person asked for apology Rajat replied-

I want to let you know that the information that I posted was information that was publicly available through your Facebook profile, which any of the 20,000 members of GMAT Avengers could have gotten. All I had to do was google “Linkedin + your name + your city” to get it.
Now this does not undo the wrong on my part. Having said that, I recommend that you hide portions of your LinkedIn profile if you don’t want people to look you up through Google. Having said that, I recommend that you hide portions of your LinkedIn profile if you don’t want people to look you up through Google.

Type - 'e-gmat money grab' and you will see the post I am talking about.

Now tell your employees to take Rajats advice.
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EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 22 Jul 2022, 01:59
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the question remains what should be done in order to prevent this from happening again. On GMAT CLUB there should remain some proof which remind everyone that E Gmat did this.

Originally posted by pinakinjsaojoij on 21 Jul 2022, 08:58.
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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   21 Jul 2022, 09:49
I starting going through TTPs quant missions and really appreciate how it breaks down the concepts so it’s digestible. I also liked the chapter tests which helps drill concepts. I feel like I finally have a path to a great score!

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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   21 Jul 2022, 19:58
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Dragoon088,

The crux of your argument is that e-GMAT has not delivered success. You have even gone on to imply that 2000 out of the 2400 reviews are not real. Since you have such excellent investigative skills, why don’t you prove your claim!

Fact - Since 2020, e-GMATers have posted upwards of 300 reviews.
I want you to prove that a mere 1% of those reviews are not real. For your effort, I would be happy to pay you $1000 if you find three reviews since 2020 that are not real.

Here is the definition of a real review:

1. It should be written by a unique real person.
2. That real person should be an e-GMAT student. They should have purchased a paid course.
3. The score mentioned in the review should be a real score.
4. The content of the reviews should be representative. For example, if the student has mentioned that they benefited from analytics then they should truly have benefitted from the same.

Again, given your claims, this should be a cakewalk for you. You have mentioned that 5 out of 6 reviews are fake. I am just asking you to prove that 1% are fake.

One more thing - many students who have given us a review are also on our YouTube channel. You can use that to verify the same. You would probably find ~100 out of the 300+ students there.

e-GMAT YouTube

Let me know what your findings are. You can share the same at rajat@e-gmat.com.


I don't think that's the crux of the argument. The crux of the argument is that it is disingenuous to have employees posting as though they are simply unbiased students. FWIW, I agree with that argument, and believe that marketing efforts should be transparent as such. Students are students and employees are employees; having either represent themselves as the other doesn't feel right.
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EgmatQuantExpert wrote:
The intent of my asking our students turned employees to provide their experience with the e-GMAT quant course to the original poster was simply so that he can see all the perspectives about the e-GMAT course and make the right decision about his prep. And in that pursuit, Rida, Srushti, and Akash upon being instructed by me posted their honest opinions on this thread.
I realized my mistake - I should have instructed them to add a disclaimer in their post - they started their journey with e-GMAT as students and are now e-GMAT employees.
And for this failure to have them add a disclaimer in their posts, I am truly sorry.


There is plenty wrong with this argument, almost to the point that it elicits eye rolls.

Whether someone has had positive experience with the test prep platform in the past becomes irrelevant once they are posting their opinions as employees, whose day job is to promote the platform and get more people to sign up in order to get their paycheck. Through no fault of their own, It is not so hard to conclude their honest opinions can never be objective or contain even a hint of negativity, with looming fear of retribution from the employer & thus obvious conflict of interest. Hence I do not see how one can try to sugarcoat the situation by saying that it would've been OKAY if they'd identified themselves as having affiliation with the company in the first place, since those opinions then would have no unique value as to those already expressed through the official company channel.

I also believe that this afterthought attempt to spin the situation makes no sense, since it's clear the posters had no intention to reveal their identity as affiliates. (some of the posts refer to e-gmat as 'they' and not 'we')

It is also important to realize the obvious reasons as to why Dragoon088 would've been tempted to investigate into those suspicious posts. Those opinions were unnaturally effusive about the platform, contained excessive company specific jargon and rather bizarrely, all three asked the post author to reach out to them for clarifications. In that sense the language used is almost indistinguishable from the one used on the official channel. An unbiased opinion would generally have good AND bad things to say about any platform. (I've personally have used your platform & there's plenty wrong with it, but that's ok, no platform is perfect)

Contrary to what might seem, I have no personal grudge against e-gmat and have no doubt that you have a decent platform. But I don't see the reason why you need three people sitting in the same room to make over-the-top effusive claims about your platform when you've already made your point through the official channel. If you believe your platform is good, just trust the community - people will provide their honest opinions & others will naturally gravitate towards you.

I think I speak for everyone complaining in this thread - The deeper theme here is that we would like to make sure that aspirants can make a precise decision as to which paid service is the best fit for them (Test prep or Admissions consulting), based on actual merits of each platform/service and not fall for the most aggressively marketed ones.

P.s. I speak from personal experience, because I believe I made the wrong decision to subscribe to a platform that had the most VISIBILITY (Reviews, ads, posts), and did not necessarily spend time on researching other available platforms that might have been a better fit.
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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   27 Sep 2022, 03:29
I would be writing the GMAT for the first time this year and of what i came across from multiple rooms and from a close friend who did use TTP for her GMAT preparation is that TTP has en excellent way for presenting the flow of information. This systematic and spread out approach helped my friend learn the concept better. The quants section of TTP seems to be well established for its reputation of being the best available source for GMAT. I did try the demo version of TTP and I personally will be buying the full version for sure and I am confident that TTP would help me build my score to a great extent.
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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   28 Mar 2024, 02:46
This post is a solid advertisement for TTP. Kudos e-GMAT! :)
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Re: EGMAT Quant VS TTP Quant for Q49-50?- [#permalink] New post   29 Mar 2024, 07:33
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