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 21yo from Italy, Luiss University in Rome, Bachelor's degree in English, exchange of 1y in the Netherlands, 3.96 GPA

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  • Professional: Intern in Deloitte for 3 months last summer, got offer to join BCG in Milan for 2 months this summer
I have applied to HEC, ESSEC, Bocconi and Insead MIM. I got admission in Insead (waiting for scholarship) and I have interview coming for HEC tomorrow. The Insead offer will expire before the published HEC date for admission result (much earlier). I always considered Insead to be my top choice also from a fitting point of view but two thing scare me: 1) Not understanding that HEC could be manifestly superior and Insead MiM still not well known 2) I would be forced to recruit from the beginning with Insead. I hope that having BCG will help getting a job in this market (or event return offer).
I didn't book the ESSEC interview because at that point I saw that as a waste of my and of their time (idk if it was a good move). Bocconi will not let me know until May.

My questions:
1) With an MBB internship already secured, does it make sense to do another 2-3 years at HEC?
2) Should I press HEC to send their decision before the common date?
3) Is Insead so far behind HEC MiM Grande Ecole, especially in this market?
4) Would I be crazy to turn down Insead offer, even with scholarship, to wait for HEC decision?


 
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 21yo from Italy, Luiss University in Rome, Bachelor's degree in English, exchange of 1y in the Netherlands, 3.96 GPA



  • Extracurricular: Director of Finance and Consulting Club, Startup consultant, Junior Enterprise in the past
  • Professional: Intern in Deloitte for 3 months last summer, got offer to join BCG in Milan for 2 months this summer
I have applied to HEC, ESSEC, Bocconi and Insead MIM. I got admission in Insead (waiting for scholarship) and I have interview coming for HEC tomorrow. The Insead offer will expire before the published HEC date for admission result (much earlier). I always considered Insead to be my top choice also from a fitting point of view but two thing scare me: 1) Not understanding that HEC could be manifestly superior and Insead MiM still not well known 2) I would be forced to recruit from the beginning with Insead. I hope that having BCG will help getting a job in this market (or event return offer).
I didn't book the ESSEC interview because at that point I saw that as a waste of my and of their time (idk if it was a good move). Bocconi will not let me know until May.

My questions:
1) With an MBB internship already secured, does it make sense to do another 2-3 years at HEC?
2) Should I press HEC to send their decision before the common date?
3) Is Insead so far behind HEC MiM Grande Ecole, especially in this market?
4) Would I be crazy to turn down Insead offer, even with scholarship, to wait for HEC decision?


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 Many many congratulations on INSEAD and the MBB internship  :)

I love this question here an would like to share my nuanced thoughts.

INSEAD: When INSEAD was planning its first MiM cohort, I was still in Fontainebleau (in 2019). The MiM concept seemed absurd to us MBA folks at the time, and a group of us asked the people in charge for clarification about INSEAD's plan for the MiM and its goals. We were informed that INSEAD had identified a gap in the market that it wanted to fill with the MiM program. This gap is evident in your comparison of the three programs. HEC's MiM program is traditionally considered the most prestigious, but it requires a significant time commitment to complete a MiM degree. Does today's generation have that level of patience? This is a question worth asking. INSEAD recognized this and tapped into the market to help young candidates worldwide who are looking for a first-class brand association early in their career. With its solid alumni network from the MBA and GEMBA programs, INSEAD supported the first cohorts of MiM graduates. The INSEAD MiM is essentially meant for individuals who don't need an intensive academic experience but want to quickly expand their professional network on a global scale. So ask yourself whether you prefer a fast-track management program or a more intensive program.


HEC Paris: 
If you know a little about the French corporate sector, the MBA is a relatively new concept. When the HEC MiM was created more than two decades ago, a Master's degree from one of the prestigious schools (grande ecoles) was considered equivalent of having "made it" in life. The Master in Management was created with the same idea, to combine the same prestige with a management degree, at a time when the MBA was not so popular in France. In traditional French companies, you either had Grande Echole graduates in the coveted positions or you simply moved up the ranks. Once you had over 20  years of experience, companies sponsored you for exceutive MBAs from the best B-schools. An MBA for a mid level employee was not seen as a wise decision. I had a French manager at a very traditional French company who did not provide me an LOR for my MBA because he didnt agree with my decision. :)

HEC Paris is an excellent MiM program that has a good pace (maybe a little too long) and gives you the opportunity to get to know your peer group well, build close relationships with your fellow students, and do internships. This is a great program for someone who really wants to live in France and the surrounding area long-term. People who study at HEC MiM have much more clarity about their long-term interests than folks who do shorter programs and feel the need to get their bearings quickly and take the next steps. If you are planning to get into MBB, and not a traditional French MNC, a shorter program would make more sense in my perspective. This could also save you time in case you want to pursue an MBA a few years later


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 21yo from Italy, Luiss University in Rome, Bachelor's degree in English, exchange of 1y in the Netherlands, 3.96 GPA



  • Extracurricular: Director of Finance and Consulting Club, Startup consultant, Junior Enterprise in the past
  • Professional: Intern in Deloitte for 3 months last summer, got offer to join BCG in Milan for 2 months this summer
I have applied to HEC, ESSEC, Bocconi and Insead MIM. I got admission in Insead (waiting for scholarship) and I have interview coming for HEC tomorrow. The Insead offer will expire before the published HEC date for admission result (much earlier). I always considered Insead to be my top choice also from a fitting point of view but two thing scare me: 1) Not understanding that HEC could be manifestly superior and Insead MiM still not well known 2) I would be forced to recruit from the beginning with Insead. I hope that having BCG will help getting a job in this market (or event return offer).
I didn't book the ESSEC interview because at that point I saw that as a waste of my and of their time (idk if it was a good move). Bocconi will not let me know until May.

My questions:
1) With an MBB internship already secured, does it make sense to do another 2-3 years at HEC?
2) Should I press HEC to send their decision before the common date?
3) Is Insead so far behind HEC MiM Grande Ecole, especially in this market?
4) Would I be crazy to turn down Insead offer, even with scholarship, to wait for HEC decision?


 
@­pcutone - well done on INSEAD and BCG.

I would say that HEC MiM is the more reputed brand given its history/ heritage and alum network spread across geographies. While INSEAD's MBA is undoubtedly strong, their MiM is yet to be entrenched. This would have effects from a long-term perspective.

The other difference is duration: if you'd like to explore electives/ tracks/ sectors/ internships, a 2 (or 3 with a gap year) year program can be better suited than if you'd like to completely focus on consulting. In the latter scenario, INSEAD MiM could arguably be the better option.

P.S: I recently had the opportunity to interview HEC MiM adcom here, where we covered a range of topics. Perhaps his perspectives can help gain deeper insights.

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Art200 I saw you are pretty against Insead MiM on basically every question, even pushing forward programs such as RSM or SSH which are tier 2 in my opinion. Do you have any experience that makes you say that? Insead MiM has few alumni but the placement of previous classes was very good while HEC has a much larger class and different experience
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