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I have highlighted your query - that structure is valid.
subject = executives
verb = examine, decide
and = conjunction

The normative model of strategic decision-making suggests that executives examine a firm’s external environment and internal
D. conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide

If you loose the non essentials in a sentence the meaning will not change. So I strike what is non essential i.e. between the commas. Now the meaning is executives examine and decide.
examine || decide. Hope that helps !

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I also have a question on this form. My understanding is that if you use the "and," form, the clause after the "and," must have a verb and subject. OA D seems to violate. Can anyone shed some light on this apparent contradiction?


Thanks for the explanation. Pleasure if you can shed some light on the below queries.
1) 'using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses' - is these part working as a 'modifier' or 'items of the list'?
2) shouldn't the 'And' conjunction placed after comma and just before demand?

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Split1) Parallelism. "executives examine …and decide" is the correct way. A, B, C and E are out.

Split2) "using" vs "in using" prefer "using" for the participial phrase. A, C and E are out.

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The normative model of strategic decision-making suggests that executives examine a firm’s external environment and internal conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide on a strategy.

Issues: Parallelism | Verb form

Analysis:
1. The core of the sentence: ".. model ... suggests that executives examine.. and decide ... "
- to maintain parallelism, we need to make sure that the entities separated by "and" are parallel i.e. clauses with same verb form (in this case).


A. conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide
- this option tries to draw parallel between "examine... " and "in using..." - NOT parallel
- also, "can decide..." is not properly connected to any of the clauses - fragment issue


B. conditions, and they use the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses in deciding
- this option tries to draw parallel between "examine... " and "they use..." - NOT parallel

C. conditions and, in using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, deciding
- "in using..." is fragment that does not properly modify the clause following it.
- this option tries to draw parallel between "examine... " and "deciding......" - NOT parallel


D. conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide

E. conditions and, in their use of the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, they decide
- this option tries to draw parallel between "examine... " and "they decide......" - NOT parallel[/color]

NOTE: I referenced OG and it does not focus on parallelism at all. It points out the redundant use of "they" to refer executives (in the same sentence) as being wordy. Based on this criteria (A), (B) and (E) can be eliminated. (C) can be eliminated because the structure in the sentence leaves second clause without a subject.

Answer: D.

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Just checking if we have anything to check for position of "And" . Before comma or after comma?
While answering this question I had in my mind that and should come after comma .

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Just checking if we have anything to check for position of "And" . Before comma or after comma?
While answering this question I had in my mind that and should come after comma .


Yes, comma before 'and' or after 'and' does matter here.

Let me explain you using option A and D.

Te rule says, if we remove the phrase between two commas, the remaining sentence must make sense.

Now, do it over A.
A. conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide --> Reread the original sentence using conditions can decide. You will find that the sentence has become a run on sentence. Hence, A is incorrect.

D. conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide --> Now do the same with this. You will find D does make sense here. Hence, correct answer.
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The normative model of strategic decision-making suggests that executives examine a
firm’s external environment and internal conditions, and in using the set of objective
criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide
on a strategy.

A. conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses,
can decide

B. conditions, and they use the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses in
deciding

C. conditions and, in using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses,
deciding

D. conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide

E. conditions and, in their use of the set of objective criteria they derive from these
analyses, they decide
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Option B and Option D both seem correct.
The final answer in my opinion comes down a inconsequential oxford comma, that makes all the difference in differentiating the two clauses.
Lets analyse the two options after inserting them in the sentence:-
B) The normative model of strategic decision-making suggests that executives examine a firm’s external environment and internal conditions, and they use the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses in deciding on a strategy. IN THIS sentence the comma after condition is starting the new clause thus "examine" & "deciding" are not parallel.

D) The normative model of strategic decision-making suggests that executives examine a firm’s external environment and internal conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide on a strategy. IN THIS sentence, the comma after and is used to separate two lists (list of actions in this case; Examine and using .. the entire sentence becomes a long single clause. Just because the conjunction and is used does not divide the sentence into two clauses. For example :- He eats toast, eggs and bacon, and orange juice for breakfast everyday. (List of three food items but action is one - eating)


In B, they is grammatically right but unnecessary. We can join two clauses in which they have the same subject into one sentence like in D --> more concise --> D is better than B.
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4. The normative model of strategic decision-making suggests that executives examine a firm’s external environment and internal conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide on a strategy.

A. conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide
B. conditions and they use the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses in deciding
C. conditions and, in using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, deciding
D. conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide
E. conditions and, in their use of the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, they decide

This is a deeply meaning -based question. That the executives decide is the crux of the matter. Therefore, we need to use a verb for the decision making part namely 'decide' rather than the participial 'deciding'

Get rid of B and C instantly.
Get rid of A for saying can decide, which denotes a capability rather than an occurrence. E is wrong for using a misleading idiom 'in using' as though they decide while using, during using, whereas the intent is to use the criteria to help decide the strategy.


This is an out and out a meaning based question in which the answer is beyond the utility of grammar alone.
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mikemcgarry: Dear Mike, can you please throw in some expertise why option B is wrong. I understand that option D is correct, and it is an easy pick. But, I am not able to find a strong reason to eliminate B. I knocked it off because it uses the phrase "use X in deciding Y", which means that X plays an indirect part in the process of Y AND if you use the phrase" use X to decide y", which means that X plays a direct role to decide about Y.

2. Another problem with B is that it makes the 2 clauses independent, while the two clauses have a connection between them. (clearly evident in D)

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mikemcgarry: Dear Mike, can you please throw in some expertise why option B is wrong. I understand that option D is correct, and it is an easy pick. But, I am not able to find a strong reason to eliminate B. I knocked it off because it uses the phrase "use X in deciding Y", which means that X plays an indirect part in the process of Y AND if you use the phrase" use X to decide y", which means that X plays a direct role to decide about Y.

2. Another problem with B is that it makes the 2 clauses independent, while the two clauses have a connection between them. (clearly evident in D)

Are these reasons correct? Can you let me know please? Thanks always

Dear bkpolymers1617,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

Choice (B) is grammatically and idiomatically correct, but it is not the best answer. The phrase "use X in deciding" and "use X to decide" are virtually identical in meaning: I disagree with your analysis of that difference.

Choice (B) is not the best answer because it's rhetorically inferior. It's clunky. The two independent clauses are grammatically correct, but why have two clauses with the extra pronoun subject? Choice (D) presents a much more elegant construction.

Does this make sense?
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mikemcgarry: Dear Mike, can you please throw in some expertise why option B is wrong. I understand that option D is correct, and it is an easy pick. But, I am not able to find a strong reason to eliminate B. I knocked it off because it uses the phrase "use X in deciding Y", which means that X plays an indirect part in the process of Y AND if you use the phrase" use X to decide y", which means that X plays a direct role to decide about Y.

2. Another problem with B is that it makes the 2 clauses independent, while the two clauses have a connection between them. (clearly evident in D)

Are these reasons correct? Can you let me know please? Thanks always

Dear bkpolymers1617,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

Choice (B) is grammatically and idiomatically correct, but it is not the best answer. The phrase "use X in deciding" and "use X to decide" are virtually identical in meaning: I disagree with your analysis of that difference.

Choice (B) is not the best answer because it's rhetorically inferior. It's clunky. The two independent clauses are grammatically correct, but why have two clauses with the extra pronoun subject? Choice (D) presents a much more elegant construction.

Does this make sense?
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Hi mikemcgarry

Could you please explain me the modifier in choice D? conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide

Why can we say with certainty that it modifies executives? In this case, the ING modifier is not showing a result of a previous clause and is not touching executives (as when we say something like: "using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, executives blah blah blah").

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The normative model of strategic decision-making suggests that executives examine a firm’s external environment and internal conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide on a strategy.
A. conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide
B. conditions, and they use the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses in deciding
C. conditions and, in using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, deciding
D. conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide
E. conditions and, in their use of the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, they decide


if we want to use "they" we need second "that

suggest
that executive examine
and
that they , using... decide.

or to ommit "that " , we use the pattern like in D

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Hi mikemcgarry

Could you please explain me the modifier in choice D? conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide

Why can we say with certainty that it modifies executives? In this case, the ING modifier is not showing a result of a previous clause and is not touching executives (as when we say something like: "using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, executives blah blah blah").

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Hello Cristián CristianJuarez,


I will be glad to help you out with this this one. :-)


The modifier using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses actually modifies the action decide that appears after this modifier.

How do the executives decide on a strategy? They do so by using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses.

The modifier using the set... also makes sense with the doer of the modified action decide - executives.


The context and the structure of the sentence are such that the meaning conveyed by Choice D is clear.



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Could you please explain me the modifier in choice D? conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide

Why can we say with certainty that it modifies executives? In this case, the ING modifier is not showing a result of a previous clause and is not touching executives (as when we say something like: "using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, executives blah blah blah").

Regards,
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Dear CristianJuarez,

I'm happy to respond. :-) I see that Shraddha already responded. I will add a few more thoughts.

First of all, it's good to learn the proper names. What you are calling an "ING modifier" is called a participle. Precision in language supports precision in thought.

Participles are unique in that they can function either as a noun modifier or as a verb/clause modifier. Only noun-modifiers obey the Touch Rule: with a few well-defined exceptions, noun modifiers must "touch" the noun they modifier. The Touch Rule governs noun modifiers only: it is entirely irrelevant to verb modifiers. Verb modifiers are much more free in their placement, as long as there's no ambiguity.

Noun modifier are adjectival phrases & clauses, answering "adjective questions": which one? what kind?

Verb modifiers are adverbial phrases and clauses, answering "adverb questions": when? where? how? in what way?

In this sentence, the participial phrase "using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses" answers a "how?" question, so it's an adverbial phrase, a verb modifier.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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Thank you both Shraddha and Mike! It is very clear.

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A. conditions, and in using the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, can decide
"and in using" is not parallel to non-underlined portion, and "they" could refer to execs or the firm

B. conditions, and they use the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses in deciding
Deciding (simple gerund) is not parallel to the action noun derive
C. conditions and, in using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, deciding
same issue as B
D. conditions and, using the set of objective criteria derived from these analyses, decide
concicse and par
E. conditions and, in their use of the set of objective criteria they derive from these analyses, they decide
pronouns are ambiguous and "they decide" is not parallel to 'examine' - eliminate


Feel free to comment on my logic applied to this

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