warrior1991
generisThank you once again. I understood what you said.
Correct me.
Finally the point that comes out is that (tocqueville's poverty) has
no bearing on (his disliking government).
You also mean that it is not necessary that
always X(cause) should cause Y(effect). That means sometimes effect doe not occur even when cause occurs.Is that correct??
warrior1991 , not quite, but you are close.
Tocqueville's alleged blaming of Napoleon for T's childhood poverty has no bearing on T's dislike of centralized government
T did not blame Napoleon for his childhood poverty. Something else made T dislike centralized government.
Poverty may have had something to do with Tocqueville's dislike of centralized government. In an academic sense, we cannot say.
-- But he did not blame Napoleon for that poverty.
-- The biographers claim that Tocqueville DID blame Napoleon.
The issue is the blaming of Napoleon for the poverty. Not the poverty itself.I will use Q instead of Y. Sometimes it helps to switch.
If X is a cause of Q, then every time that X happens, Q will happen.
The issue here is that X is not a cause of Q. Something else causes Q.
With respect to the highlighted portion. That's not correct.
It's a common mistake in logic. I think you are making the error in #3
Bear with me for a moment.
LOGICMain truth claim is TRUE
TRUE: 1)
If X, then QTRUE: If you are a man, then you are a mammal
#1 logically entails #2.
TRUE: 2)
If not Q, then not XTRUE: If you are not a mammal, then you are not a man
#1 does NOT logically entail #3 or #4FALSE:
3) If not X, then not Q -- [WRONG! FALSE!]If you are not a man, then you are not a mammal.
Hooey. A kangaroo is not a man. A kangaroo IS a mammal
FALSE:
4) If Q, then X If you are a mammal, then you are a man.
Hooey. A kangaroo is a mammal. A kangaroo is not a man.
Error #3
If Tocqueville did not blame Napoleon for T's childhood poverty, then Tocqueville did NOT dislike centralized government.
As a matter of logic: FALSEThere can be more than one sufficient condition for Q.
There can be more than one necessary condition for Q.
X is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for Q.
X = The issue is "blame Napoleon [yes, for poverty, but it's the blame that is key]."
If we can prove that there is no X, for whatever reason,
then there MAY still be a Q, but it is not caused by X — and the biographers are wrong.
The biographers claim: X, therefore Q
X = Tocqueville blamed Napoleon for Tocqueville's childhood poverty.
This whole fact, X, caused
Q = Tocqueville disliked centralized government
So, did Tocqueville blame Napoleon for T's childhood poverty? No.
X did NOT cause Q. Something else caused Q.
Was Q true? Yes. I offered a "political theory" explanation
to demonstrate that Q indeed existed but was not caused by X
Napoleon's Autocracy/Absolutism → disaster in France → Tocqueville dislikes centralized government
Napoleon's Absolutism = A
Biographers: X, therefore Q
FALSEPolitical historians: A, therefore Q
TRUEQ still exists.
But Q was caused by A, not by X. The biographers are insisting that Q was caused by X.
X is a
because clause.
The moment we prove that X is false, we are done.
Q still happens. Do we care? No.
The biographers are shouting, "X caused Q! X caused Q!"
We say back, "
X did not cause Q!
X did not cause Q!" (Something else caused Q. X is not a cause.)
Hope that helps.