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Your Verbal scores are very strong, and once you get to that high of a Verbal level, it becomes very hard to improve (there really aren't any Verbal resources I'm aware of that are aimed at test takers at a level as high as yours). The one aspect of Verbal where you might make meaningful progress is in pacing - that's not always easy to do, and exactly how to do that depends on why you're short on time. If you find yourself sometimes debating for a minute between two answer choices in Verbal, and end up guessing between them anyway, you might save time just by being more decisive in those situations. But if you truly just need to speed up your reading, it will take some time to get faster, since that's a skill that develops slowly.

It's in Quant where you're likely to see the bigger improvement, not only because it's your lower score (in percentile terms) but also because Quant is easier to improve at. If you're relying on strategies like backsolving and number-picking, it would make perfect sense that your scores are generally in the Q40-Q43 range, because those strategies just don't work on harder questions. A lot of higher level questions can be answered conceptually (i.e. with minimal algebra), but you will need to be good at algebra to answer quite a few of the harder questions you'll see. It does sound as if you're willfully avoiding algebra in a lot of situations where you probably should be using it, and that's going to cap your score around a Q43 level. Improving at Algebra is something you can often do just through self-study, though it takes some time - it's much like learning a new language. If you have good resources to study from, resources that tell you what rules you can use and in what situations to use them, then you'll improve just through practice. You want to reach a point where you know exactly what types of algebraic things you should do in any common algebraic situation, so solving standard equations becomes almost instinctive. So you want to reach a point where any time you see x^7 - x^5, say, you know you should factor out x^5, or if you see a/b = c/d, you know you should cross-multiply to get rid of fractions. If the books you're studying from aren't reinforcing those habits, then you should find better books before doing anything else. Those algebraic fundamentals are going to be tested in very challenging ways in inequalities questions, so it doesn't make sense to spend much time on inequalities until after you've built up your algebraic foundation.

It's certainly possible that a good private tutor would help you; he or she would at least be able to identify those situations where you need to develop better algebraic habits, and the situations where you might be misapplying algebraic rules. Even with a tutor, a lot of the progress you'll make will be because of the work you do on your own, since the only way to get good at algebra is by doing a lot of it. Tutoring can be expensive, but you'll also reach your goal more quickly, so when making that decision you should weigh the importance of cost and time.
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Thank you for your input, Ian, it is very much appreciated. Do you have any recommendations for the aforementioned resources, specifically for learning Algebra? The issue is not that I can't set up equations (I don't have as hard of a time in word/rate/mixture problems where I can make a chart) but rather when I'm just given pure algebra my mind doesn't seem to connect what's given with what I need to do. Instead of knowing the exact procedure to follow I will just try random things (factoring, subtracting, etc) or pick numbers. It's like, I have the rules memorized (but maybe not understood...) and I just don't see how to use them in certain problems. From now on, I will focus on doing the algebra neatly and properly rather than applying other strategies and I will ignore time limitations and focus on accuracy. I will also try to extract as much information from the stem in DS as possible, as too often I leave it as is rather than manipulating.

IanStewart as an addendum, would you recommend solving problems algebraically for practice, even though I can answer them conceptually? On DS (mostly) I will get answers correctly by intuiting what is necessary but I cannot put together the algebraic equations and solve them (thinking of inequalities and hard geo mixed with quadratics or other algebra stuff).

I think you are spot on about debating answers in Verbal, this is definitely a huge flaw of mine, particularly in CR. In the future I will develop and follow a ruleset for the different types of questions and be more confident in eliminating 4 choices. In SC, I sometimes don't find the quickest/best grammar eliminations so it takes longer than it should or I have to debate on meaning between 2 choices neither of which look great. Again, I just need to know certain rules better to see errors quicker, I think. RC is my best area, I almost never get one wrong on practice tests and time is average.

I hope with some extra practice I can still improve my Q up to 49 and V up to 45.
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Hi energetics,

660 is a nice start! I’m happy to address your questions.

-- I'm already working on the issues (mentioned below) but would like specific advice on how to go about fixing things like weak algebra (besides "do more algebra problems!"). Is it really just as simple as sitting down and re-doing all the problems I get wrong to drill the steps necessary?

Since you scored Q43, it’s clear you have some significant knowledge gaps that must be addressed in order for you to improve your GMAT quant score. Thus, rather than just redoing old problems, you should follow a linear and structured study plan that allows you to individually learn each quant topic and then practice each topic until you’ve gained mastery. By studying in this way you can ensure that you methodically and gradually improve your GMAT quant skills. You can follow a similar approach for verbal.

-- Am I burning myself out trying to do too many timed CATs? Recently I have taken them almost every other day and I feel like it was a mistake to do my last GMAT Prep the day before the test.

I don’t think you should take any further practice exams until you’ve improved your quant and verbal skills.

-- Is it worthwhile to hire a private tutor? My hope would be that they could identify weak concept areas even though I feel like I mostly don't have 'specific' questions so it might be a waste. I also feel like I mostly understand the concepts but - to use a metaphor - have more trouble reaching into my bag of knowledge and picking out the correct thing quickly under timed pressure.

Before thinking about a GMAT tutor, the real question that you need to answer is why, after significant prep, you are still 80 points off your score goal. Although a tutor can certainly help you improve your GMAT skills, the bulk of your prep will still be done independently. Thus, even if you end up working with a tutor, you want to ensure that you use thorough prep materials to improve your GMAT skills in between your sessions. With that in mind, I recommend that you spend some time reading success stories of past GMAT students as well as reviews of various GMAT prep courses to see what prep materials have worked for other test-takers.

If you’d like more specific advice on how to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills, feel free to reach out.

You also may find it helpful to read this article about how to score a 700+ on the GMAT.

Good luck!
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Hi energetics,

To start, a 660 is a strong score, so it could be enough to get you into your first-choice School. As such, a retest might not be necessary. The Q43 won't "impress" anyone though, so there's a certain logic to retesting (and you certainly have the opportunity to pick up some serious points in the Quant section). Since you're interested in some highly-competitive Schoos, beyond having a strong GMAT Score, you need to have a strong OVERALL profile AND you need to properly "market yourself" to each individual Program that you apply to. As such, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile and plans. While you probably already know this, there's a Forum full of those Experts here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-admissio ... tants-124/

From what you describe, there are areas that you clearly have not been working on. You're probably trying to do too much work "in your head" (which is the WORST way to approach a GMAT question). Based on your Quant Scaled Scores from your CATs, your general "math skills" are likely fine. Getting in some extra Algebra practice would probably be a good idea, but you seem dead-set on not taking advantage of how the GMAT is written - and that mindset is keeping you from scoring higher. The GMAT is a big 'critical thinking test' - and as such, it rewards Test Takers who know how to think about questions in critical and strategic ways (the same ways that Business Schools want you to be thinking). Quant and Verbal Tactics are absolutely essential to scoring at the highest levels (and Tactics work on questions of all difficulty levels, so if you want a Q49+, then you're going to have to hone your Tactical skills).

While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). Since you have purchased the ESR, I'll be happy to analyze it for you. If you would rather not post that information publicly, then you can feel free to PM or email it to me directly.

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Thank you for the responses, Scott and Rich. I've added my redacted ESR below:









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Hi energetics,

I've sent you a PM with an analysis of your ESR.

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Thanks for posting energetics! Our ESRs are remarkably similar... I took my GMAT on July 21.

Looking at our ESRs really makes me wonder what happened in Section 2 of the Verbal section on our GMATs...

Rich: do you mind sharing what you shared with energetics with me given our similarities?
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