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09 Apr 2017, 13:54
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You're in the land of arcane exceptions now, Shiv2016! 
Technically speaking, past perfect tense doesn't actually need to be used alongside another action in simple past tense -- you just need some sort of clear "reference time" that also happens in the past. So yes, your examples are technically correct: "the end of the movie" works as your reference time in the past, even though there's no simple past tense verb here.
Here's the thing, though: I'm not really sure that it's a big deal on the GMAT. Yes, you see past perfect all the time, but the "reference time" is almost always another verb in simple past tense. I can only think of one exception to this: somewhere in the GMATPrep exams, there's a question that uses past perfect in the correct answer, but without a simple past tense verb -- very much like your examples. Unfortunately, I can't find the question, but I'm certain that it's out there -- maybe in Exam Pack 1? If that rings a bell, please let me know.
But again: 95% of the time, you're fine with the simplified version of the rule on the GMAT: past perfect tense usually needs to accompanied by another (later) action in simple past tense.
Technically speaking, past perfect tense doesn't actually need to be used alongside another action in simple past tense -- you just need some sort of clear "reference time" that also happens in the past. So yes, your examples are technically correct: "the end of the movie" works as your reference time in the past, even though there's no simple past tense verb here.
Here's the thing, though: I'm not really sure that it's a big deal on the GMAT. Yes, you see past perfect all the time, but the "reference time" is almost always another verb in simple past tense. I can only think of one exception to this: somewhere in the GMATPrep exams, there's a question that uses past perfect in the correct answer, but without a simple past tense verb -- very much like your examples. Unfortunately, I can't find the question, but I'm certain that it's out there -- maybe in Exam Pack 1? If that rings a bell, please let me know.
But again: 95% of the time, you're fine with the simplified version of the rule on the GMAT: past perfect tense usually needs to accompanied by another (later) action in simple past tense.
10 Apr 2017, 06:59
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Not the one I was thinking of! But yes, this one works, too.
So now there are at least two official examples of the exception! I'll find the other one -- it'll hit me at, like, 3:00 in the morning in August.
So now there are at least two official examples of the exception! I'll find the other one -- it'll hit me at, like, 3:00 in the morning in August.
11 Apr 2017, 05:33
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Hi Shiv, this is actually quite a common pattern for past perfect. Daagh Sir has already given an example. Couple of other official examples that come to my mind:
In 1981 children in the United States spent an average of slightly less than two and a half hours a week doing household chores; by 1997 that figure had grown to nearly six hours a week.
The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women born in the country had been attacked by the birds.
In fact, considering GMAT's fondness for this kind of pattern (and it's divergence from what many people perceive as a more classical pattern for past perfect tenses), our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this example, in detail. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference (specifically refer to the example In 2007, a typical web user spent less than 4 hours a month on Facebook in the attachment).
In 1981 children in the United States spent an average of slightly less than two and a half hours a week doing household chores; by 1997 that figure had grown to nearly six hours a week.
The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women born in the country had been attacked by the birds.
In fact, considering GMAT's fondness for this kind of pattern (and it's divergence from what many people perceive as a more classical pattern for past perfect tenses), our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this example, in detail. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference (specifically refer to the example In 2007, a typical web user spent less than 4 hours a month on Facebook in the attachment).
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