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Are the following two sentences correct?

(1) By the end of the movie, Jeremy had tears in his eyes.
(2) By the end of the movie, Jeremy had cried twice.

I am a little confused in the usage of 'had' with phrases such as 'by the end....'.
' Had' is a helping verb and must be used as simple past.

But 'had' + Past participle should be used as past perfect tense.

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You're in the land of arcane exceptions now, Shiv2016! :)

Technically speaking, past perfect tense doesn't actually need to be used alongside another action in simple past tense -- you just need some sort of clear "reference time" that also happens in the past. So yes, your examples are technically correct: "the end of the movie" works as your reference time in the past, even though there's no simple past tense verb here.

Here's the thing, though: I'm not really sure that it's a big deal on the GMAT. Yes, you see past perfect all the time, but the "reference time" is almost always another verb in simple past tense. I can only think of one exception to this: somewhere in the GMATPrep exams, there's a question that uses past perfect in the correct answer, but without a simple past tense verb -- very much like your examples. Unfortunately, I can't find the question, but I'm certain that it's out there -- maybe in Exam Pack 1? If that rings a bell, please let me know.

But again: 95% of the time, you're fine with the simplified version of the rule on the GMAT: past perfect tense usually needs to accompanied by another (later) action in simple past tense.
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If this is what you are looking for, pl take it and the OA is A

Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, their descendants, popularly known as killer bees had migrated as far north as Southern Texas.

A. Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
B. In less than 35 years since releasing African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
C. In less than the 35 years since African honeybees had been released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
D. It took less than 35 years from the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, when
E. It took less than 35 years after the time that African honeybees were released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, and then
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Not the one I was thinking of! But yes, this one works, too.

So now there are at least two official examples of the exception! I'll find the other one -- it'll hit me at, like, 3:00 in the morning in August. :)
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Hi Shiv, this is actually quite a common pattern for past perfect. Daagh Sir has already given an example. Couple of other official examples that come to my mind:

In 1981 children in the United States spent an average of slightly less than two and a half hours a week doing household chores; by 1997 that figure had grown to nearly six hours a week.

The first detailed study of magpie attacks in Australia indicates that by the time they reached adulthood, 98 percent of men and 75 percent of the women born in the country had been attacked by the birds.

In fact, considering GMAT's fondness for this kind of pattern (and it's divergence from what many people perceive as a more classical pattern for past perfect tenses), our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this example, in detail. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference (specifically refer to the example In 2007, a typical web user spent less than 4 hours a month on Facebook in the attachment).
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Hi .. can somebody please tell me regarding the past perfect continous, present perfect continous comparisons with past perfect and present perfect respectively??\

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