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bb, I compare it based on how difficult the questions are, how widespread the content covered is, and how much time per question people have. This is all through my students' eyes. Also, I have a friend who taught GMAT successfully for many years and had 750+ scores on the test, who couldn't break through the 90th percentile in quant in GRE on his first two attempts. If GRE was such a cake walk, you'd think he'd scoot right through it -- right? Put differently, I judge difficulty based on how difficult it is! I don't know how else to phrase that.

mykrasovski thanks for clarifying. I guess it's fair to say that the tests are similar in difficulty level. My main point though is that the GRE isn't easier than GMAT, and many people might actually find it more difficult, if only due to the insane vocabulary it requires. I love how when they revamped the GRE a few years ago they had the chutzpah to say that they were downplaying the importance of vocabulary!
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Thank you so much for posting and sharing! Is that a good score? I am no good with GRE :lol:

But regardless of the score this is super awesome!!! Thank you for the debrief.

PS. I assume you saw LBS and a few others have completely gone away from requiring any test score (not even after admission).

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Overall it is a good score. Of course, it also depends where you want to use it or for which purpose.

here we do have ALL the GRE scores at the BS across five continents.

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Thanks for sharing! Interesting. I was/am also one of the people who believed GRE was easier.... but I don’t know the GRE and only base it on anecdotal reference and seeing what I saw simpler practice math questions.

PS. How do you compare the difficulty of the two tests by the way? Percentiles? Score required for admission? Competitiveness? Just curious....




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I don't know where the belief got started that GRE is easier than GMAT. It's harder in nearly every way. The vocabulary is very challenging. Yes, you are allowed a calculator, but the math covers more advanced topics and gives you less time per question. You don't have Data Sufficiency, but you do have questions that you have to type in your own answer, and "all-that-applies" questions with no partial credit. You also have less time per question in quant despite the questions being at least comparable in difficulty. If anyone out there is prepping for the GRE thinking you're getting away with something, you're not. It's a harder test. The only reason to take the GRE rather than the GMAT is if you are thinking of applying to programs that don't accept the GMAT and need a multi-purpose test. I keep telling my students who want to take the GRE rather than the GMAT that the GRE is harder. They argue and fight and then after two months tell me they wish they'd listened to me from the start. It's such a bummer.

That said, the at-home set up for GRE sounds better than the at-home setup for GMAT right now. I don't know how people can possibly take the GMAT without a break and without scrap paper.


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I do not know why the myth GRE is easier is still hard to die.

This test NOT only is very difficult BUT ALSO the verbal part is an overkill. if you pick a double blank 4/5 level or an RC long, they are wayyyyy more difficult than the verbal material on the GMAT side.

Moreover, the GRE is a verbal test not quant. and here is the catch: we communicate and evolve as a species via words, not math symbols. You can buy the trick on quant but NOT on verbal.

Humble and honest opinion.

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hi elPatron434, you may also notice that the ETS converter has a disclaimer that says that conversion is accurate within "+-50 points on the GMAT". So, if you use the basics of statistics you will derive that your GRE score could equal to anything that falls from 640 to 740 on the GMAT.

You may want to browse the websites of your target schools and check what statistics they report regarding the GRE. carcass provided a great overview of what "average" scores in prestigious MBA programs look like these days. Also, you may check the decision tracker here on the gmatclub as well as admissions statistics on clearadmit, a useful website for MBA aspirants.

Again, my subjective view is that you should focus on other aspects of your application, because you have a great GRE score!
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Hey bb, I hope the post will benefit the community.

My score equals 310 Q155 (56 percentile) V155 (68 percentile), which is alright. The score is higher than the average for all 1.6M test takers, but lower than average scores in top-10 US MBA programs that usually have average scores that fall in the range between 325 and 330.

ETS offers a GRE to GMAT conversion tool which is accurate within +-50 points on the GMAT. According to the tool, Q155 and V155 equal Q36 and V32 on the GMAT, respectively. Clearly, my Quant score is incredibly low (my highest official GMAT Quant score is Q47, highest in official prep tests is Q49) while Verbal is on par with my official GMAT scores (I did get Q37-Q39 in official practice tests, though).

I did hear that some of the schools accept applications without GMAT/GRE scores in R3 or extended R3, but I have not seriously considered applying. However, in light of the pandemic situation which will most probably affect international applicants, I wonder whether there is sense in applying to schools for this fall's intake. I observe that a decent proportion of admits consider deferrals. However, schools might start replacing deferred students by promoting waitlisted candidates. At the same time I realize that R1, R2, and R3 in next application cycle will likely be very competitive because of upcoming recession, which seems to be inevitable.

I have not investigated which schools have extended R3 deadlines and waived test score requirements, but perhaps it is worth to do a quick research.

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You can see a summary and a list of all schools that have modified their admissions processes:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/covid-19-out ... 19924.html

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Thanks for sharing! Interesting. I was/am also one of the people who believed GRE was easier.... but I don’t know the GRE and only base it on anecdotal reference and seeing what I saw simpler practice math questions.

PS. How do you compare the difficulty of the two tests by the way? Percentiles? Score required for admission? Competitiveness? Just curious....




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I don't know where the belief got started that GRE is easier than GMAT. It's harder in nearly every way. The vocabulary is very challenging. Yes, you are allowed a calculator, but the math covers more advanced topics and gives you less time per question. You don't have Data Sufficiency, but you do have questions that you have to type in your own answer, and "all-that-applies" questions with no partial credit. You also have less time per question in quant despite the questions being at least comparable in difficulty. If anyone out there is prepping for the GRE thinking you're getting away with something, you're not. It's a harder test. The only reason to take the GRE rather than the GMAT is if you are thinking of applying to programs that don't accept the GMAT and need a multi-purpose test. I keep telling my students who want to take the GRE rather than the GMAT that the GRE is harder. They argue and fight and then after two months tell me they wish they'd listened to me from the start. It's such a bummer.

That said, the at-home set up for GRE sounds better than the at-home setup for GMAT right now. I don't know how people can possibly take the GMAT without a break and without scrap paper.


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Hm... I thought quite a few have been publishing and reporting their average GRE. I haven’t done much research frankly but there is that post by Carcass...

A few years ago, if you wanted to get in based on your work experience and your professional accomplishments, you would take the GRE because schools did not report and they didn’t care about their average so it was always easier to get in with the GRE score. This may no longer be accurate since they have started reporting it to rankings organizations.



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Thank you mykrasovski,
I was under a similar impression too. But I then came across the GRE to GMAT converter on the ETS website which translates my score to 690 on the GMAT which I feel isn't on the same pedestal as my GRE score. I am confused as to what scores would the B Schools be taking into account (325 vs 690) while evaluating somebody's candidature, considering most of them don't publish statistics on the GRE.

bb, carcass would love your thoughts on this.

Thank You!

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Hello bb,

I think the post in GRE Prep Club by carcass is brilliant. I believe all the chapters listed out are extremely pertinent and upon completion would be of great help to applicants who wish to take the GRE route for the bschool admissions in the current/upcoming admissions cycle.

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These are our conclusion backed up from a granular observation of the data on the FIELD

As you can see from the pie above we do have a clear picture of the 60 (sixty) BSs that accept AND disclose the GRE score for a Full-Time MBA program. Notice the relevant considerations


  • The BS that NOT disclose the test but accept it are the majority
  • Basically, the average score for both the sections of the test is 160, which is also consistent with the following point
  • INSEAD and HEC Paris BS play safe going for the percentile - 85% and 65% respectively - of the test. In the section of this guide: What does the GRE score mean we will address very well on why the chose percentile over a numbered score
  • Notice also that 36 BS DO NOT Accept the GRE. See where the value is ZERO. However, this statistic should not be taken with concern from the students. In large part, the BSs that do not accept the score are at the periphery of the big MBA circle, which is basically in the three main areas of the globe: US, Canada, and Europe.
  • What is really astonishing is that among 60 BSs in fice continents ONLY on School - Wharton - give indication clearly of the AWA score. This could be an interesting argument on which making a reflection

refer to these for your conclusions.

In a nutshell, if YOU achieve a score of Quant 160/161 and Verbal 160, this split is more than enough even for Harvard.

here, once again , you can find ALL the BSs of the world

https://greprepclub.com/forum/the-gre-a ... tml#p42871

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NYU Stern explicitly does not express the score they want. See my post above

They say the following - I assume NYU is NYStern (or do you mean another BS ?)

"We do not publish average GRE scores due to the short time we have been accepting the test. Please note we do not have a minimum GRE score needed to apply."

We cannot make the assumption they convert the GRE score into GMAT score. We can only assume that a competitive score is Q160/V160

They accept the GRE score as it is: competitive or not.

Your score is competitive. The rest of your application is important as well. The test score accounts for roughly 20/25% of the entire application portfolio. Period.

Your score is perfectly on the world's average: Verbal 160
Your quant score is above: 165

AWA I do not know.

However, my humble advice is to STOp to make such calculation and to move on onto a badass, groundbreaking application.

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Thank you so much for posting and sharing! Is that a good score? I am no good with GRE :lol:

But regardless of the score this is super awesome!!! Thank you for the debrief.

PS. I assume you saw LBS and a few others have completely gone away from requiring any test score (not even after admission).

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Thank you for sharing your recent experience. If you need any advice regarding your GMAT prep, feel free to reach out. Good luck with things moving forward.
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Thank you so much for posting and sharing! Is that a good score? I am no good with GRE :lol:

But regardless of the score this is super awesome!!! Thank you for the debrief.

PS. I assume you saw LBS and a few others have completely gone away from requiring any test score (not even after admission).

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Hey bb,

Heres a link for all the average GRE score at top universities. https://poetsandquants.com/2020/03/23/a ... rograms/4/

As you will see the GRE score averages tend to be on the lower side. Its not as easy to score high on GRE as people think.
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carcass thank you for your compliment. Indeed, 310 is a decent score, but I was hoping for 320 or so because, when taking into account my performance on the GMAT and some GRE practice tests, I can clearly do much better in quant.

I might re-take the GRE in the coming weeks/months since the online GMAT is a preposterous with its online scratchpad...

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Lorettagrace thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sounds like you are a tutor who is new to gmatclub?

I agree with everything you mentioned, with one little exception.

I have prepared for the GMAT for a while and can attest that a big majority of quant questions are challenging and not straightforward. One can only go so far using formulas and memorization. Quant questions in the GMAT are often based on concepts which one needs to master to excel and solve a question in 2 - 2.5 minutes. The GRE quant questions, however, are not so difficult, at least in the official prep materials. I have started solving the GRE questions from the ETS Official Guide few weeks ago and was surprised that only hard questions occasionally gave me hard time. This was not the case with the GMAT quant questions, at least for me.

Perhaps, I have mastered majority of topics and do not feel surprised anymore whenever I see a new question, but I cannot explain a massive drop in my Quant score on the "at home" GRE. This is despite the fact that I have scored Q167 on the free practice test. Even when I got a lower quant score on the free practice tests, my mistakes were careless (e.g. 12*2 = 48) and not because I was challenged by most of the questions.

Frankly, many questions in the real GRE felt "GMAT like", meaning that questions were not as straightforward as they were in the official free practice tests. This is my 2 cents.
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I've been teaching and tutoring the GMAT and GRE for almost 19 years and have taught over 100,000 students between the classroom and tutoring. My opinion on the relative difficulty of the tests is based on that. It's also based on the real test, and not on the practice questions in the books -- which you seem to be basing your opinion on. You are welcome to hold any opinion you wish to on these exams. I do, however, find it bizarre that you are telling me that you found the GRE to be unusually difficult for you but continue to believe that the GRE is easy. It's a perplexing opinion to have. But as I've stated, it isn't my job to change your mind. Good luck in the future.
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