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I have been diligently studying for GMAT since mid Jan. I enrolled into the MGMAT face to face course and have finished all their materials as well. I have also finished the OG18 once. I feel I am putting all my time and effort into this but not able to improve my scores. My score when I started in mid Jan was 590 (CAT#1 by MGMAT), 580 in Feb (CAT#2 by MGMAT) and 590 in early March (CAT#3 by MGMAT) which basically shows 0 improvement in my score. I am getting bit demotivated now since I know I am working hard to crack this thing but somehow not able to. I have always been a good student especially in Maths but I am doing equally bad in Quant. For both Quant and Verbal, I do fine with 500 level questions, miss half of the 600-700 questions due to silly mistake or time constraint and miss 90% of the 700-800 questions.

My target score is 700 (at least a 680) and thus I need to improve my score by at least 100 points in the next 6 weeks since my GMAT is scheduled for April 22 for now. What other material apart from the OG and MGMAT would be helpful? How should I plan my next 6 weeks and what should be the key areas of focus?

Running out of options and thus making a distress call to all you experts. Can share my CAT assessment reports if that would be helpful.

Would appreciate any kind of pointers

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Manhattan Quant Guides
Manhattan Verbal Guides
For CR: The Powerscore GMAT Critical Reasoning Bible
For RC: Aristotle RC Grail

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The Official Guide for GMAT 2015-19
The Official Guide for GMAT Quantitative Review 2015-19
The Official Guide for GMAT Verbal Review 2015-19

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You can start with Quant or Verbal which suits you. If you have started with Quant then Start with the Arithmetic but if started with verbal then start first with Sentence correction. One month for learning Quant concepts and one month for practicing question and same practice for Verbal. During you Practicing question don't forget to make an error log to track your weak areas after practice. Once you know your weak areas revise your Concepts related to those areas and do some more Practice. 6-8 CATs are enough for practice the real tests. Make your Stamina for sitting 3 hours in the test and don't study more than 2 hours in one sit and 4 hours per day

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Hi nrs81,

I’m sorry to hear how things have been going with your GMAT. Given that you have studied for 2 months and completed a prep class, yet your score seems unable to budge, you clearly need to look at HOW you’ve been preparing and make some changes. Furthermore, since you recently scored 590 (90 points from your score goal), it’s clear that you lack the quant and verbal fundamentals you need for a high GMAT score. In my eyes, the only way forward is to follow a linear and thorough study plan in which you individually learn each quant and verbal topic, starting with the foundations before moving to more advanced concepts. This process likely will take longer than just 6 weeks. Are you able to take your GMAT at a later date? In any case, here is some advice you can follow to improve your GMAT quant and verbal skills.

If you are learning about Number Properties, for example, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken the Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn about each question type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type. If, for example, you get a weakening question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and instead focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and thereby comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect Reading Comprehension answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. Keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be easy to read. So, to better prepare yourself to analyze such passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the Economist, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, you likely will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may need some new quant and verbal materials, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses.

You also may find my article with more information regarding
how to score a 700+ on the GMAT helpful.

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I have been diligently studying for GMAT since mid Jan. I enrolled into the MGMAT face to face course and have finished all their materials as well. I have also finished the OG18 once. I feel I am putting all my time and effort into this but not able to improve my scores. My score when I started in mid Jan was 590 (CAT#1 by MGMAT), 580 in Feb (CAT#2 by MGMAT) and 590 in early March (CAT#3 by MGMAT) which basically shows 0 improvement in my score. I am getting bit demotivated now since I know I am working hard to crack this thing but somehow not able to. I have always been a good student especially in Maths but I am doing equally bad in Quant. For both Quant and Verbal, I do fine with 500 level questions, miss half of the 600-700 questions due to silly mistake or time constraint and miss 90% of the 700-800 questions.

My target score is 700 (at least a 680) and thus I need to improve my score by at least 100 points in the next 6 weeks since my GMAT is scheduled for April 22 for now. What other material apart from the OG and MGMAT would be helpful? How should I plan my next 6 weeks and what should be the key areas of focus?

Running out of options and thus making a distress call to all you experts. Can share my CAT assessment reports if that would be helpful.

Would appreciate any kind of pointers

Thanks
NRS


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Kindly follow the material based on your scores.

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Hi nrs81,

Many Test Takers spend 3 months (or more) of consistent study time before they hit their 'peak' scores, so if you've been studying for about 1.5 months, then you might not have put in enough time and study to have scored higher yet. That having been said, many Test Takers who use a 'book heavy' study approach end up getting 'stuck' at a particular score level, so it's possible that this has happened to you as well.

Since it appears that all of the CATs that you've taken are from a 3rd-party vendor (MGMAT), I strongly recommend that you take one of the Official GMAC CATs and take it in a realistic fashion (take the FULL CAT - with the Essay and IR sections, take it away from your home, at the same time of day as when you'll take the Official GMAT, etc.). Once you have that score, you should report back here and we can discuss how best to proceed.

Before I can offer you any additional advice, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How many hours do you typically study each week?
2) How have you scored on EACH of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

Goals:
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
4) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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Thanks for all your replies, really appreciate it. Posting my responses to your questions below -

My score split has mostly been around Q42 and V30.

Studies:
1) How many hours do you typically study each week? - I have been easily putting 10+ hours for last couple of weeks because I had time from my current job. But next week I am starting a new job and thus I anticipate that will drop down to around 10 hrs / week starting next week.
2) How have you scored on EACH of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)? around Q42 and V30
(not able to share the file here due to some restriction)

Goals:
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School? - This fall for Summer 2020 intake
4) What Schools are you planning to apply to? Only Wharton Exec MBA program that happens in SF, and thus the minimum score I need is 700. 680 might do since I have some solid work-ex and other things that I bring to the table.

Based on recommendation from you all, I recently bought the GMATClub question bank and will start practicing those questions as well

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I was in the same spot for the longest. After studying for 6 months I'm still in the sub 700 range. I will take the test again at the end of April one last time. However, this time I'm not worried at all.

Why? Because I took a break. The best thing I ever did for myself was to take a break. Take a week, or even two and don't look at any material. Then, go back to the material and review it. I'm willing to bet once your memory is jogged from the break you see improvement.
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Hi nrs81,

Since you've been scoring at this same general level on all of your CATs, simply working through lots of additional practice questions - in the same ways as before - will likely not be enough to help you pick up those additional 100+ points. To consistently score at a higher level, you'll have to make some type of substantive changes to HOW you approach the Test.

"Review" is an exceptionally important part of the GMAT training process; your ability to define WHY you're getting questions wrong is essential to defining the areas that you need to work on (and the specific things that you need to 'fix'). As such, I'd like to know a bit more about your last CAT. While a full Mistake Tracker would provide a lot more information, there are some basic questions that you should be able to answer (and the more EXACT you can be with your answers, the better):

After reviewing each section of this recent CAT, how many questions did you get wrong....
1) Because of a silly/little mistake?
2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
3) Because the question was too hard?
4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?
5) How many Verbal questions did you 'narrow down to 2 choices' but still get wrong?

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Wow, thanks for all the thoughtful responses, really appreciate it. After going through the complete MGMAT course, I feel I have a decent understanding of all the concepts. And that is reflected in my tests. As I mentioned above, I do the 500 level questions without issues, I miss half of the 600-700 questions due to the time pressure and silly mistakes (and both of them I need to work on since this is where I have the biggest opportunity according to me) and the 700+ questions, I get stumbled because I have not seen a question like that before. But when I spend time reviewing the correct answers, its not like that I do not understand how it solved, its just that approach didnt occur to me in the right amount of time.

Because of this reason, I am bit hesitant in going back and starting all the topics from scratch, but rather would like to invest time on doing more practice

Though SC does not fall into the bucket I mentioned above. SC is a weak area for me and thus I will keep going back to basics and ensure I have that right and making improvement.

Please let me know if my approach seems incorrect to you all

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Hi
I need help increasing my verbal score. I have been consistently scoring around 30-32 on my verbal and the main culprit I believe is SC.
MGMAT 1 (1/14) - v31 , q42, SC incorrect (50%)
MGMAT 2 (2/16) - v32 , q37, SC incorrect (45%)
MGMAT 3 (3/4) - v30 , q42, SC incorrect (57%)
GMAC (3/10) - v32 , q46, SC incorrect (50%)
Veristas (3/16) - v31, q46, SC incorrect 57%

More details are here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Need some help figuring out how to increase my score. I have completed MGMAT strategy guide, MGMAT class videos, reviewed all questions on OG

Kindly suggest

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Hi nrs81,

Your Verbal Scaled Scores from the various CATs you've taken show that you might be 'stuck' at this particular score level. This actually happens to many Test Takers who use a "book heavy" study approach. Even the best books are limited in what they can teach you; they also can't force you to approach questions in a certain way and their explanations are often one-sided. While you've defined SC as an area that you need to work on, with a Score Goal of 700+, that won't be the only area that requires some extra practice. This is all meant to say that you might need to invest in some new, non-book resources.

With your current Test Date, you have about 5 weeks of study time - but you might need more time than that to get to the point that you can consistently Score 700+. You don't have to change your Test Date just yet, but that might be something to consider (especially if you're still scoring at this same general level in a few weeks).

1) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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I agree that I will need more time to improve my verbal score in order to reach my target score. I have family coming from overseas during 1st week of May, and I will get busy for around 5 weeks, thus I want to at least give one attempt before that. For now my test is booked for 4/25. In case I dont even get to 680, I will resume my practice again in mid-June

I will be spending around 10-15 hrs a week on prep until my test day. I have 10 CATs remaining (6 from Veristas, 1 from mba.com and 3 from mgmat), so will be taking around 2 tests a week as well to build my stamina
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Try a different time of day for practice tests. I am not a morning person afternoon is my zone time. So I changed my exam time and always practiced for 4-7 pm. I noticed a substantial difference.

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Hi nrs81,

Each CAT is really a 'measuring device' - when used correctly, it will give you a realistic score and help define your strengths and weaknesses, but it will NOT help you to fix any of those weaknesses. To raise your scores, you have to learn the necessary Tactics and put in the proper practice and repetitions. The CAT will show you whether your studies are helping you to improve or not.

In addition, the process of taking (and reviewing) a CAT requires a significant amount of energy and effort - and takes time to 'recover' from. This is one of the reasons why you typically shouldn't take more than 1 CAT per week - and your last CAT should be taken about 1 week before Test Day. Taking more CATs than that will greatly increase your chances of 'burning out' before Test Day (which is something that we want to avoid) and would essentially be a 'waste' of a bunch of CATs that you might need later on.

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Hi nrs81,

Since your verbal score has not budged, I do think you should follow my previous advice and spend time relearning GMAT verbal from the ground up. I realize that you have only 5 weeks, but try to take as thorough an approach as possible. If you don’t hit your score in 5 weeks, then you can continue to prep and retake the test when you are ready.

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Thanks Rich, in that case may be I will restrict myself to 1 cat per week
Scott - I am spending time revisiting the MGMAT Verbal strategy guide. is there anything else you suggest I do?
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Reading the guide is a good start; however, you may need additional prep materials, so I recommend that you also take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best verbal courses to see what has worked well for other test-takers.

Feel free to keep me updated with your progress. Good luck!
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