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Thanks a Lot Shraddha for the detailed explanation why A is correct. Would you please elaborate the reasons why B & C are incorrect ?

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Hello ran787,


Thank you for the query. I am not sure if you still have this doubt. Here is the explanation nonetheless. :-)


IMHO, meaning wise, there is hardly any difference in the information given by Choice A, B, and C.

However, generally. the structure it is the xyz is followed by a relative pronoun modifier to lay emphasis on a special characteristic of the entity xyz.


So structurally, Choice A wins as it presents the intended meaning in the best manner.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Question no. 207

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed to found new businesses.


Although the thread says this is a medium level question, I believe this question, form now on, is one of my favourite, and solving this question, I learnt a lot. I will try to elucidate whatever I could surmise from the question. Without any further adieu, lets jump in to the thread !

"In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people " (This is the core structure of the sentence, and rest everything is a modifier emphasizing the characteristics of young people)who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” (this is a modifier which starts with a relative pronoun and modifies "Young People") needed to found new businesses (Participial modifier that modifies the two two characteristics).

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(A) who have

This is idiomatic or one can say rhetorical to usually say "It is Michael (or aka X) who did speak an elaborate speech (or Y) in ...."

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(B) with
(C) having

These modify the sentence structure and we expect to see the main verb after "with.../having...)

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(D) who are those with
(E) who are the ones to have

No need to even think of these two options. Both of them are obviously wrong, and I believe everyone knows why is that so.

Experts,
Kindly let me know whether I understood this question correctly.

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samgyupsal wrote:
Hello experts! :)

Within answer choice C, does it mean young people continually possess "the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success"? I'm also unsure how "having" modifies the whole clause before it - "Adam S. wrote that is young people HAVING [X] needed to found new businesses." Adam S. wrote that some younger people continually possess two types of mentality needed to found new businesses.

Please help clarify this doubt. Thank you in advance!

In this case, "having" is not separated from the rest of the sentence by commas. So, 'having "the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”' does not modify the clause.

It's not really clear what that phrase does. That version does not make sense.

If anything 'having "the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”' restrictively modifies "young people."

Thus, if read literally, that version conveys that Adam Smith wrote that "it" whatever "it" is, "is" a particular type of young people, 'young people having "the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” need to found new businesses.'
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Hi, can you please tell me what is the verb for people in option A?
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Hi mk96,

There is no verb for young people there. Instead, the who points to young people. It is the who that combines with a verb, have.

It is young people who have the {something} needed to found new businesses. ~ Young people are the ones who have the {something} needed to found new businesses.

You could also go through this post.
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AjiteshArun this one

Hi mk96,

I won't comment directly on that post, but normally, when we say that a subject "pairs" with a verb, we mean that those two elements form a clause. In this case, it's better to say that the who "pairs" with have. If people were to pair directly with have, we'd end up with an independent clause. An independent clause would not be correct here:

... it is young people have {something}
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Im between A and D. Whats wrong with D? Isnt D less ambiguous than A?

I mean:

A says "Young people who have it"
D says "Young people who are those that have it"

D meaning ONLY young people have it. A could mean the same thing, BUT A could also imply that "only those of the young people that have it" and not all young people. To get rid of the interpretation that the sentence might actually continue after it is ended, D is least ambiguous.

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Let's take another look at (A):

  • Who is it who has the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success? It is the young people. The young people ARE the ones who have the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success.
  • Does that mean that EVERY young person has the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success? Not necessarily. IN GENERAL, young people have those things.
  • I don't see how (A) causes any ambiguity, either. Of course, only the young people who do in fact have those things actually have those things, right?
  • So the meaning in (A) is perfectly fine and unambiguous as is.

In (D), what does the pronoun "those" refer to? "Young people" or just "people"? If we go with the first option, we have:

    "It is young people who are the young people with the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success."

That's ambiguous at best, but it arguably doesn't make any sense. Why bother writing that the the young people who have the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success are young people?

(D) actually makes a bit more sense if we assume that "those" refers to just "people." Who are the people who have the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success? It is the young people. Now the sentence tells us WHICH people are the ones who have the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success.

But (A) tells us that without leaving any room at all for an illogical meaning, and that makes it the better choice.

I hope that helps a bit!
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saarthakkhanna04 wrote:
Hi I have one question. Why isn't comma required before "WHO HAVE". I think you also need comma before WHO. Correct me if I am wrong.

Hi saarthakkhanna04,

This sentence uses who in a slightly different way. This post explains how who is used here.
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GMATNinja please could you tell me why (E) is incorrect? Is it just because of concision? Or is there any real grammar or meaning error?

Mostly meaning. Take another look at (E):

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In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who are the ones to have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed to found new businesses.

The phrase in red is, at best, confusing. Typically "the ones to have" would refer to the things that are best to possess:

    "Did Tim want the Lakers tickets or the Thunder tickets? Because the Thunder have Lu Dort, the Thunder tickets are the ones to have."

But that makes no sense here. No one is going to possess these young people. Also, the phrase, "to have" suggests a theoretical situation. The best tickets to have are ones you don't own yet. Does that mean we're talking about young people who don't yet have the contempt of risk? Nah.

If we get rid of the "to", it's clear that Smith is referring to young people who already have the contempt of risk. So (A) isn't just more concise. It's clearer and more logical, and therefore better.

I hope that helps!
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needed here mean "required"

is that correct?
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needed here mean "required"

is that correct?

Hi victory47, absolutely, and it's a participle (not a verb) here.
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Need more clarity around option A and B. Also, "to found" seems awkward to my ears.
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Hi Experts GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo egmat

Can you please elaborate on active vs passive voice in (A) emphasizing why needed is a verb-ed modifier? I think doer - young people makes sense with verb needed .

To take a simple example:
I lifted the box active
The box was lifted by me passive

What is incorrect with option (E) ?



Hello Arpit/ adkikani,

Thank you for the PM. :-)

Read the sentence very carefully and let me know per the context of the sentence what is needed ti start new businesses - young people or the two attributes that the sentence mentions?

(Hint: read my response to goforgmat above)


Looking forward to hear from you. :-)
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Hi egmat / Shraddha

I understood that the two attributes are needed to start business and thanks to helping me to identify my first mistake.
However while going through verb-ed modifiers here
which mentions removing of helping verb and relative pronoun (hopefully the list includes which though most of examples include that) The post clearly mentions the relative pronoun to be used in passive voice.

I am still unable to understand why the sentence in in passive voice?

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people
who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed to found new businesses.

Are not we emphasizing on subject - young people and not actions / attributed they possess?

What shall be active voice of this sentence?

Thanks in advance for your two cents !

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Can you pls explain POE in detail?

Hi NandishSS, rather than looking at a grammar-heavy solution, it often helps if we just simplify the sentence a bit.

So, let's just see which of the following sentences you would pick:

(i) it is hard-working people with most chance to succeed on GMAT.
(ii) it is hard-working people having most chance to succeed on GMAT.
(iii) it is hard-working people who have most chance to succeed on GMAT.

Hopefully you would pick iii).

This is exactly the same structure used in the sentence under consideration. Hence, option A is the right choice.

Options D and E, at the very least, lose out on concision.


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in this option having is correctly modifying people -- Correct me if I 'm wrong than what is the error?
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Can you explain this one in detail. i cannot understand this .

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” <Dont we need a verb here. it seems incomplete to read> needed to found new businesses.



Hello goforgmat,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed to found new businesses.

Let's first understand the meaning of this sentence. The sentence intends to say that Adam Smith wrote something in 1776. What did he write?

He wrote that young people possess two qualities (if I may): “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”. What is the significance of these two qualities.

These two qualities are required to found = establish new businesses.

Now let's come to the grammar part of it.

In the above-mentioned sentence, the subjects are highlighted in blue while the verbs are in green. All the subjects have appropriate verbs.

Please note that the word needed is a verb-ed modifier that further explains “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”.

We do not need anymore verbs in the sentence as there are no subjects with missing verbs.

We may expand this sentence as In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” that are needed to found new businesses.

The added that clause is just the expanded version of the original sentence. We actually derive verb-ed modifiers in this way by removing the subject and the helping verb.

You can read our very famous article named ED FORMS - Verbs or Modifiers to learn how to distinguish between a verb-ed modifier and a simple past tense verb in the following link:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/ed-forms-verbs-or-modifiers-134691.html


Hope this helps. :-)
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Thanks a Lot Shraddha for the detailed explanation why A is correct. Would you please elaborate the reasons why B & C are incorrect ?

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GMATNinja, could you please provide some more examples of this kind of sentence structure:

It is young people who have X needed to found new business.

I am unable to comprehend this structure as it looks abruptly ended after X. I have gone through the explanations provided by egmat as well but still this structure does not seem familiar and I do not intend to memorize rather grasp the concept behind this kind of structure.
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I have eliminated A because it says "who HAVE"

Can someone explain me why does "it is young people" is plural to use HAVE instead of HAS?

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