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Hello Sir,

I am confused between Option A and Option B, Can you explain the reasoning here?


A. In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that

it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed(required) to found (establish) new businesses. This is a relative clause with the modifier phrase starting with 'who' modifying young people.

B. In 1776, Adam Smith wrote that

it is young people with “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed to found new businesses. --- This prepositional modifier 'with' modifying young people lacks a verb to complete the meaning.

Therefore, A is correct.



Hello, so can we conclude that the prespositional modifier with always needs a verb ?
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Can you explain this one in detail. i cannot understand this .

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” <Dont we need a verb here. it seems incomplete to read> needed to found new businesses.



Hello goforgmat,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed to found new businesses.

Let's first understand the meaning of this sentence. The sentence intends to say that Adam Smith wrote something in 1776. What did he write?

He wrote that young people possess two qualities (if I may): “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”. What is the significance of these two qualities.

These two qualities are required to found = establish new businesses.

Now let's come to the grammar part of it.

In the above-mentioned sentence, the subjects are highlighted in blue while the verbs are in green. All the subjects have appropriate verbs.

Please note that the word needed is a verb-ed modifier that further explains “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”.

We do not need anymore verbs in the sentence as there are no subjects with missing verbs.

We may expand this sentence as In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” that are needed to found new businesses.

The added that clause is just the expanded version of the original sentence. We actually derive verb-ed modifiers in this way by removing the subject and the helping verb.

You can read our very famous article named ED FORMS - Verbs or Modifiers to learn how to distinguish between a verb-ed modifier and a simple past tense verb in the following link:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/ed-forms-verbs-or-modifiers-134691.html


Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi egmat/Shraddha,

Thanks for your wonderful explanation!

Could you please tell us why options B, C, D & E are wrong? I couldn't eliminate them on strong reasons.

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New post 07 Jan 2018, 06:24
Just trying to put this statement into my head.
Trying with my own example ..

It is the young people who have the passion needed to win the match.

Can we say that after passion "needed to win the match" is a modifier and can be dropped?

It is the young people who have the passion - Is this a complete sentence?

If in the above statement "needed" is modifying the the passion, why cant we write the statement as

It is the young people who have passion that is needed to win the match.. will this be a wrong statement?, Does it give the same meaning as above?

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HI EducationAisle, sayantanc2k,

Can you pls explain POE in detail?
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Can you pls explain POE in detail?

Hi NandishSS, rather than looking at a grammar-heavy solution, it often helps if we just simplify the sentence a bit.

So, let's just see which of the following sentences you would pick:

(i) it is hard-working people with most chance to succeed on GMAT.
(ii) it is hard-working people having most chance to succeed on GMAT.
(iii) it is hard-working people who have most chance to succeed on GMAT.

Hopefully you would pick iii).

This is exactly the same structure used in the sentence under consideration. Hence, option A is the right choice.

Options D and E, at the very least, lose out on concision.
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NandishSS wrote:
Can you pls explain POE in detail?

Hi NandishSS, rather than looking at a grammar-heavy solution, it often helps if we just simplify the sentence a bit.

So, let's just see which of the following sentences you would pick:

(i) it is hard-working people with most chance to succeed on GMAT.
(ii) it is hard-working people having most chance to succeed on GMAT.
(iii) it is hard-working people who have most chance to succeed on GMAT.

Hopefully you would pick iii).

This is exactly the same structure used in the sentence under consideration. Hence, option A is the right choice.

Options D and E, at the very least, lose out on concision.


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(ii) it is hard-working people having most chance to succeed on GMAT.
in this option having is correctly modifying people -- Correct me if I 'm wrong than what is the error?
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(ii) it is hard-working people having most chance to succeed on GMAT.
in this option having is correctly modifying people -- Correct me if I 'm wrong than what is the error?

You are right. In this case, having is a present participle, modifying people.

However, everything else remaining the same, whenever there is a choice between such usage of present participle (present participle towards the end of a clause modifying the immediate preceding noun) and a relative clause (who have most chance..), GMAT seems to exhibit a distinct preference for the relative clause.
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egmat wrote:
goforgmat wrote:
sayantanc2k , chetan2u

Can you explain this one in detail. i cannot understand this .

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” <Dont we need a verb here. it seems incomplete to read> needed to found new businesses.



Hello goforgmat,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)

In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” needed to found new businesses.

Let's first understand the meaning of this sentence. The sentence intends to say that Adam Smith wrote something in 1776. What did he write?

He wrote that young people possess two qualities (if I may): “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”. What is the significance of these two qualities.

These two qualities are required to found = establish new businesses.

Now let's come to the grammar part of it.

In the above-mentioned sentence, the subjects are highlighted in blue while the verbs are in green. All the subjects have appropriate verbs.

Please note that the word needed is a verb-ed modifier that further explains “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success”.

We do not need anymore verbs in the sentence as there are no subjects with missing verbs.

We may expand this sentence as In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that it is young people who have “the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success” that are needed to found new businesses.

The added that clause is just the expanded version of the original sentence. We actually derive verb-ed modifiers in this way by removing the subject and the helping verb.

You can read our very famous article named ED FORMS - Verbs or Modifiers to learn how to distinguish between a verb-ed modifier and a simple past tense verb in the following link:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/ed-forms-verbs-or-modifiers-134691.html


Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
Shraddha



Thanks a Lot Shraddha for the detailed explanation why A is correct. Would you please elaborate the reasons why B & C are incorrect ?

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Thanks a Lot Shraddha for the detailed explanation why A is correct. Would you please elaborate the reasons why B & C are incorrect ?

Thanks



Hello ran787,


Thank you for the query. I am not sure if you still have this doubt. Here is the explanation nonetheless. :-)


IMHO, meaning wise, there is hardly any difference in the information given by Choice A, B, and C.

However, generally. the structure it is the xyz is followed by a relative pronoun modifier to lay emphasis on a special characteristic of the entity xyz.


So structurally, Choice A wins as it presents the intended meaning in the best manner.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Still not able to understand, how " With" make sentence fragment
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GMATNinja, could you please provide some more examples of this kind of sentence structure:

It is young people who have X needed to found new business.

I am unable to comprehend this structure as it looks abruptly ended after X. I have gone through the explanations provided by egmat as well but still this structure does not seem familiar and I do not intend to memorize rather grasp the concept behind this kind of structure.
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GMATNinja, could you please provide some more examples of this kind of sentence structure:

It is young people who have X needed to found new business.

I am unable to comprehend this structure as it looks abruptly ended after X. I have gone through the explanations provided by egmat as well but still this structure does not seem familiar and I do not intend to memorize rather grasp the concept behind this kind of structure.

Good! If you try to memorize every possible construction you might encounter, your face will melt. "Needed to found new business" is simply modifying "the contempt of risk and the presumptuous hope of success," and it's the article "the" that indicates that we might specify what kind of "contempt of risk" and "presumptuous hope" we're talking about. Pretty common construction.

Take a silly example. "It was Tim who ate the burrito." That's fine as a sentence. We don't need really need more. But if we want to specify which burrito we're talking about, we could write, "It was Tim who ate the burrito found in the dumpster." "Found in the dumpster" is playing the same role as "needed to found new business," modifying the preceding noun. Also, Tim is kind of gross. Don't shake his hand or kiss him goodnight.

I hope that helps!
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Thanks for the example and explanation GMATNinja, I am able to understand this now.(+1)
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can some please explain in detail how option B changed the meaning ?
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