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Re: In an attempt to produce a coffee plant that would yield beans contain [#permalink]
It's really between C and E.

We're told that the synthesis of a substance essential for caffeine production was blocked either in the beans, in the leaves, or both.

In Choice E, we're told caffeine was produced in the beans, but all of the caffeine moved to the leaves. From this we can conclude:

- The synthesis of the substances blocked caffeine production in the leaves
- The beans no longer have caffeine (as the caffeine moved to the leaves)
- As a result, we have no caffeine in the beans & caffeine in the leaves (from the move).

Choice E can be eliminated.

In Choice C, we're told the initial caffeine production takes place only in beans, but later caffeine production depends on another substance (not dependent on the blocked substance). So if we have another substance that produces caffeine, the observed results would be strange. C is the answer.
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In an attempt to produce a coffee plant that would yield beans containing no caffeine, the synthesis of a substance known to be integral to the initial stages of caffeine production was blocked either in the beans, in the leaves, or both. For those plants in which synthesis of the substance was blocked only in the leaves, the resulting beans contained no caffeine.

Any of the following, if true, would provide the basis for an explanation of the observed results EXCEPT:

A. In coffee plants, the substance is synthesized only in the leaves and then moves to the beans, where the initial stages of caffeine production take place.

B. In coffee plants, the last stage of caffeine production takes place in the beans using a compound that is produced only in the leaves by the substance.

C. In coffee plants, the initial stages of caffeine production take place only in the beans, but later stages depend on another substance that is synthesized only in the leaves and does not depend on the blocked substance.

D. In coffee plants, caffeine production takes place only in the leaves, but the caffeine then moves to the beans.

E. Caffeine was produced in the beans of the modified coffee plants, but all of it moved to the leaves, which normally produce their own caffeine.


Hi avigutman IanStewart

I have checked all the previous posts in this thread, but I I still have some doubts that no one discussed before. So, I decided to write my own post and hope you could share some thoughts and insights when you have time. :)

1. Does the specific phrasing "the basis for an explanation" play an interesting role in the stem?

Since last time I found that I mistook the boreal owl question as a "typical strengthen-type" CR question and thus neglected the question's exact requirement, getting confused with an incorrect option, I have realized the importance of reading the requirements carefully. Hence, I am not interested in finding out the type for this coffee plant question, but I am intrigued by the phrasing "providing the basis for an explanation of the observed results"--I feel that it is a more delicate requirement than "providing an explanation."

In some CR questions, we are asked to find an explanation or hypothesis that could account for the findings/results. For these questions, the correct answers generally have a strong and direct connection with the results. But I feel that our task is different here. Even though I have no problem with the correct answer--this is an EXCEPT questions, so all options except the correct answer (C) can serve as the basis for an explanation--I feel that some options have a vulnerable connection with the results.

For example:
B. In coffee plants, the last stage of caffeine production takes place in the beans using a compound that is produced only in the leaves by the substance.
->The last stage of caffeine production needs a compound that is produced only in the leaves and that is produced by the substance.
->But we only know that the synthesis of the substance is blocked only in the leaves in this case. We do not know whether the substance can still be produced in the beans, nor do we know whether the substance that is produced in the beans can move to the leave to help develop the compound. If the answers to the two questions are "yes," then the option (B) cannot really explain the results.

For another example:
D. In coffee plants, caffeine production takes place only in the leaves, but the caffeine then moves to the beans.
->Okay, the production occurs only in the leaves, so we do not need to check the production in terms of stages.
->Still, we only know that the synthesis of the substance is blocked only in the leaves in this case--we do not know whether the substance can still be produced in the beans and move to the leave to help the production. If the answers are "yes," it could be inferred that the production would still take place in the leaves and the caffeine would move to the beans as in other normal coffee plant. Then, the option (D) could not explain the results.

I did not want to nitpick with these options on purpose, but I just felt strange that the connection of these options and the results could be undermined--that is not the property of a good explanation in the CR section in my opinion.

But, it occurred to me that I am not looking for "an explanation," but for "a basis for an explanation." This might be why these options are acceptable, as they, with proper addition of information, can still develop into good explanation.

I wonder what you experts would focus on when you are given this requirement. And, when we are asked to find "the basis for an explanation," we do not want to insist that the option should be able to directly explain the results, do we?

2. The substance in question is not known to be essential for all stages of caffeine production, but only for the initial stage of caffeine production--how does this qualification affect our reasoning?

Frankly, I completely neglected the phrasing "initial stages" at my first read, but I noticed this modifier when I tried to evaluate the option (C) and (E) side by side. I could see why the option (E) is better than the option (C), but I do not think (C) absolutely fails to be a basis--it is just not clear enough to me. I wonder how you would interpret the option (C).

C. In coffee plants, the initial stages of caffeine production take place only in the beans, but later stages depend on another substance that is synthesized only in the leaves and does not depend on the blocked substance.
-> Okay, the initial stages of caffeine production takes place only in the beans.
-> We know that the synthesis of the substance essential for the initial stage of production is blocked in the leaves, but we do not know whether the substance could still be produced in the beans.
-> If the answer is "yes," the initial stage of production should go well in the beans despite the blocked synthesis in the leaves, and thus the caffeine would still be produced. Then, the beans should contain the caffeine, since we are not told that the caffeine would move to other parts. This way, the option (C) cannot be the basis for an explanation.
-> If the answer is "no"--the substance essential for the initial stage of production could only be produced in the beans--then the initial stage of production would not go smoothly in the beans, and thus the caffeine should not be produced. This way, the option (C) could actually be a basis.

E. Caffeine was produced in the beans of the modified coffee plants, but all of it moved to the leaves, which normally produce their own caffeine.
->The production takes place in the beans. It is still unclear to us whether the substance could be produced in the beans.
->But whether the answer is "yes" or "no," the beans would not contain the caffeine anyway. If the caffeine is produced, it would move to the leaves, and if the caffeine is not produced because of the blocked synthesis of the substance in the leave, the beans would not contain any caffeine surely.

Separately, I find one part in the option (E) "all of it moved to the leaves, which normally produce their own caffeine." quite tricky--what does it mean? Does it mean that the leaves in the modified coffee plants would normally produce their own caffeine despite the blocked synthesis of the substance? I know we do not need to do inference for this question, but I wonder whether this information suggests that the substance is not only produced in the leaves? The synthesis of the substance is stopped in the leaves, but because the substance can still be synthesized elsewhere and move to the leave, the leave can still produce their own caffeine?


Thank you so much for your thoughts and insights! :)
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Re: In an attempt to produce a coffee plant that would yield beans contain [#permalink]
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I'm going to disagree here, GraceSCKao, for the following reason:
If indeed the substance that is essential for that stage was synthesized in the leaves and then moved to the beans, then I believe it would be false to claim that "the initial stages of caffeine production take place only in the beans." Don't forget, we know from the passage that: "the synthesis of a substance known to be integral to the initial stages of caffeine production" so I would argue that this synthesis is indeed a stage within "the initial stages of caffeine production." Definition of "integral": necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.
In fact, when I first attempted this problem I chose (C) without reading it all the way to the end (and without reading (D) and (E). I only had to read this part of (C):
In coffee plants, the initial stages of caffeine production take place only in the beans, but later stages...
Just from that, I could tell that this answer choices isn't going to be able to explain (or even provide the basis for an explanation) of the observed results.


Thank you avigutman so much for your detailed explanations!
I finally see it now. I misunderstood that the word "integral" just means "important" or "essential," but in fact the word "integral" means more than that--it means "necessary as a part of a whole." So now I can understand why we can use the phrasing "the initial stages...take place only in the beans" in the option (C) to infer that the substance is produced/synthesized only in the beans.

Since the substance is synthesized only in the beans, the synthesis would not be affected by the blocking in the leaves. Hence, the production would go smoothly and thus the beans would contain caffeine. The option (C) would not be able to serve as the basis for an explanation of the observed results anyway. This is contrary to my initial analysis and I really appreciate that you help me make improvements. :)

avigutman wrote:
But our job isn't to poke holes in the answer choices and wonder whether there could be a scenario in which they fail to explain the observed results. Our job is to pick out the one answer choice that completely fails to provide the basis for an explanation of the observed results, under any circumstances or imagined scenarios.
So, I think you did more work than is necessary here - in this problem we needn't (shouldn't) use our imagination and ask "what if?". We must instead extend a level of generosity to the answer choices as we eliminate them, and choose the one that wouldn't explain the observed results no matter how generous we are toward it.


Thank you for elaborating on this point.
I know that when we are to weaken an argument, we do not necessarily need to disprove the argument, and when we are to strengthen the argument, we do not need to prove the argument. Some uncertainty can be allowed.
This type of task (finding the basis for an explanation) is new to me--really thank you for your clear explanations. :)
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In an attempt to produce a coffee plant that would yield beans containing no caffeine, the synthesis of a substance known to be integral to the initial stages of caffeine production was blocked either in the beans, in the leaves, or both. For those plants in which synthesis of the substance was blocked only in the leaves, the resulting beans contained no caffeine.

Any of the following, if true, would provide the basis for an explanation of the observed results EXCEPT:


A. In coffee plants, the substance is synthesized only in the leaves and then moves to the beans, where the initial stages of caffeine production take place.

B. In coffee plants, the last stage of caffeine production takes place in the beans using a compound that is produced only in the leaves by the substance.

C. In coffee plants, the initial stages of caffeine production take place only in the beans, but later stages depend on another substance that is synthesized only in the leaves and does not depend on the blocked substance.

D. In coffee plants, caffeine production takes place only in the leaves, but the caffeine then moves to the beans.

E. Caffeine was produced in the beans of the modified coffee plants, but all of it moved to the leaves, which normally produce their own caffeine.

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Since the question is asking us to exclude we'll search for questions that explain the observed results, then eliminate that option. Any option that explains why "blocked only in the leaves" means "beans contained no caffeine" will be removed.

A, and B mention that the substance is made in the leaves then moves to the beans. We can eliminate these choices.

D mentions caffeine is made in the leaves then moves to the beans. Gone!

E differs from A, B, and D but this option still explains why the beans have no caffeine, everything moved to the leaves.

C is the only one that doesn't explain why there's no caffeine in the beans "synthesized only in the leaves and does not depend on the blocked substance" meaning caffeine would still be created and sent to the beans.
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Hope this helps.
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Good question, I thought this as 3 possible cases: leaves/beans/both. And assumed that even blocking the substance in both, didn't stop caffeine production. And that's where I went wrong and wasted more time on this question only to get a wrong answer. :/
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