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In the United States, of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired, the percentage
who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years. Since many local
businesses in Florida cater to retirees, these declines are likely to have a noticeably negative economic effect
on these businesses and therefore on the economy of Florida.
Which of the following, if true, most seriously weakens the argument given?
(A) People who moved from one state to another when they retired moved a greater distance, on average,
last year than such people did ten years ago.
(B) People were more likely to retire to North Carolina from another state last year than people were
ten years ago.
(C) The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased signifi cantly
over the past ten years.
(D) The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year than
it was ten years ago.
(E) Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state


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I thought D weakens the argument the most. So, anyone can help me with the right explanation?


The argument is that percentage decline in people retiring to Florida has a negative effect on the business.

Anything that suggests that percentage decrease doesn't matter much would weaken this argument.

D actually says that more retirees LEFT Florida. It tells nothing about the influx of retirees into Florida and actually strengthens the case for impact on business, if at all.

C says that the absolute numbers have increased signifcantly, so even after a percentage decline, the sheer number can ensure that businesses do not suffer from negative impact and hence it weakens the percentage based argument the most. It doesn't matter that share of pie is slightly reduced if the Pie itself has grown dramatically.

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Got it! :-)
Thank You guys. I confused numbers and percentages.

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Correct answer is D
Anand's explaination: Guys this is a beauty. Please hammer this into your head. This is a standard percentage trap. Let me elaborate.

Assume that last year 1000 people in the US moved out of state to retire.
Of this say 10% moved to Florida = 100 people
So 90% moved to states other than Florida right?

This year 20000 people moved to other state to retire.
Of this say 8% moved to florida = 160 people.
So 92% moved to states other than Florida right?

Though the %of people moving to Florida has decreased (because %of people moving to otherstates has increased) number of people moving to Florida has infact increased from 100 to 160. So the local businesses are gonna do great.

The bold portion is what (D) says and thus weakens the argument more seriously than (C).


Dear magicmover
your explaination is exactly on the track
the only problem with D is that it talks about only 2 year
1 present year
2 and the 10 years ago

it dosent talk about the continuous period

The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased significantly
over the past ten years.
only C talks about the period (by saying over the past 10 years)

The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year than
it was ten years ago.
while D talks about only two situations (by saying 10 years ago)

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In the United States, of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired, the percentage who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years. Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees, this decline is likely to have a noticeable negative economic effect on these businesses.
Which of the follow, if true, most seriously weakens the argument?
A. Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state.
B. The number of people who move out of Florida to accept employment in other states has increased over the past ten years.
C. There are more local businesses in Florida that cater to tourists than there are local businesses that cater to retirees.
D. The total number of people who retired and move to another state fro their retirement has increased significantly over the past ten years.
E. The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year than it was ten years ago.


I don't agree with the OA, so I would like to understand ...

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I get C as the asnwer...no tsure why it would be D...its clear that what weakens the argument would be a reason that the economy would not be negatively impacted due to a decline of retirees moving to Florida.

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IMO it has to be D.
Here is how -
The narrative talks about the point percentage decrease in the retirees. Hence any option that speaks specifically of the 'actual number' of retirees going up will weaken the conclusion since it will attack the premise ( number of retirees impacting the flourishing of local businesses in this case).
Lets look at the options:
A) Florida still attaracts more number of retirees that come here for settlement, however still the percentage is down as per the narrative. This does not give a clear indication whether the actual number of retirees has gone done or up. Maybe, the number of people retiring has decreased..does not weaken significantly
B) No impact - irrelevant
c) No impact as it does not talk about the businesses in question
D) Correct choice - The Number of retirees has significanly increased. Still the percentage is down by only 3 points. Implying even though retirees are moving to other states, the actual number of retirees coming to florida has increased. Weakens the conclusion hence the argument.
E) No impact.
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I had a tough choice between A and D... C talks about businesses that cater to tourists and not specifically to the retirees which makes it non impacting to the conclusion on the narrative.
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I still don't understand why C has no impact/no relation to the conclusion. The conclusion, to me, is that because businesses cater to retirees and the % of retirees going to Florida has decreased, there will be a negative impact on the economy. However, if they cater to tourists more than retirees, it shouldnt impact becuase it says nothing about less tourists...D is still not making sense to me..


In the United States, of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired, the percentage who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years. Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees, this decline is likely to have a noticeable negative economic effect on these businesses.
Which of the follow, if true, most seriously weakens the argument?

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The conclusion is "Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees, this decline is likely to have a noticeable negative economic effect on these businesses."
The key word here is "these". The conclusion only talks about the negative impact on the businesses which cater to retirees and not about the economic impact on the economy as a whole.
D makes sense because it specifically talks about the actual number of retirees increasing and hence negates the premise of the percentage going down.
For eg.
10 years ago - Number of retirees = 100
% moving to florida - 53
Actual number moving to florida - 53

Today
Number of retirees - 1000 (significantly higher)
percentage moving to florida - 50
Actual number moving to florida - 500

Hence the actual number has gone up 10 times.
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In the United States, of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired, the percentage who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years. Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees, these declines are likely to have a noticeably negative economic effect on these businesses and therefore on the economy of Florida.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously weakens the argument given?

(A) People who moved from one state to another when they retired moved a greater distance, on average, last year than such people did ten years ago.
(B) People were more likely to retire to North Carolina from another state last year than people were ten years ago.
(C) The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased significantly over the past ten years.
(D) The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year than it was ten years ago.
(E) Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state.

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In the United States, of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired, the percentage who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years. Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees, these declines are likely to have a noticeably negative economic effect on these businesses and therefore on the economy of Florida.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously weakens the argument given?

(A) People who moved from one state to another when they retired moved a greater distance, on average, last year than such people did ten years ago.
(B) People were more likely to retire to North Carolina from another state last year than people were ten years ago.
(C) The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased significantly over the past ten years.
(D) The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year than it was ten years ago.
(E) Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state.


In this "weakening" question, you need to be able to understand the structure of the argument and spot the answer that would best ATTACK a key assumption. The argument states that the PERCENTAGE (you should pay very close attention to how the GMAT uses numbers in CR - raw numbers, percentages, comparitive amounts, etc.) of retirees moving to Florida is going down. The conclusion is that the decreasing percentage will negatively impact the Florida businesses/economy. Be on the lookout for something that will address the number of retireees...

A - Completely out of scope
B - Completely out of scope
C - The answer correctly states that the NUMBER of retirees has increased SIGNIFICANTLY, so a small reduction in percentage would still likely involve an increase in the raw number of retirees making it to Floriday. This strongly weakens the conclusion that businesses will be impacted by the decline in percentage.
D- This would strengthen the argument (watch out for wrong direction!)
E - Addresses raw numbers, but we need a comparison between retirees coming to Florida now vs. the past, not a comparison of Florida v. other states

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In the United States, of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired, the percentage who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years. Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees, these declines are likely to have a noticeably negative economic effect on these businesses and therefore on the economy of Florida.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously weakens the argument given?

(A) People who moved from one state to another when they retired moved a greater distance, on average, last year than such people did ten years ago.
(B) People were more likely to retire to North Carolina from another state last year than people were ten years ago.
(C) The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased significantly over the past ten years.
(D) The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year than it was ten years ago.
(E) Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state.


In this "weakening" question, you need to be able to understand the structure of the argument and spot the answer that would best ATTACK a key assumption. The argument states that the PERCENTAGE (you should pay very close attention to how the GMAT uses numbers in CR - raw numbers, percentages, comparitive amounts, etc.) of retirees moving to Florida is going down. The conclusion is that the decreasing percentage will negatively impact the Florida businesses/economy. Be on the lookout for something that will address the number of retireees...

A - Completely out of scope
B - Completely out of scope
C - The answer correctly states that the NUMBER of retirees has increased SIGNIFICANTLY, so a small reduction in percentage would still likely involve an increase in the raw number of retirees making it to Floriday. This strongly weakens the conclusion that businesses will be impacted by the decline in percentage.
D- This would strengthen the argument (watch out for wrong direction!)
E - Addresses raw numbers, but we need a comparison between retirees coming to Florida now vs. the past, not a comparison of Florida v. other states

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Hi Kyle,

I still don't get it why C is the CA. You stated above to pay carefully attention to Percentage, it is what the argument is talking about (down by 3 percent), but C states something about raw numbers, right? Besides C, is not focusing on Florida.

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Hi Lauhub,

Let me see if I can explain.

Overall the % of people who choose, when moving state, to retire in Florida has gone down a little bit.

C then says, the total number of people who move state when retiring has gone up SIGNIFICANTLY.

So if LOTS more people are moving to retire in general. Even if a slightly (3%) smaller percentage are moving to Florida, overall there will still be more people than before moving to Florida.


In general this is an interesting question, because it has some numbers, yet is Verbal. Overall advice is don't bring your Quant logic (about percentages vs real numbers) into Verbal.

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Hi Lauhub,

Let me see if I can explain.

Overall the % of people who choose, when moving state, to retire in Florida has gone down a little bit.

C then says, the total number of people who move state when retiring has gone up SIGNIFICANTLY.

So if LOTS more people are moving to retire in general. Even if a slightly (3%) smaller percentage are moving to Florida, overall there will still be more people than before moving to Florida.


In general this is an interesting question, because it has some numbers, yet is Verbal. Overall advice is don't bring your Quant logic (about percentages vs real numbers) into Verbal.

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Thanks James! so it's all about number SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE versus 3% decrease right?

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Yes exactly.

The 'significant increase' will out weigh the '3% decrease'. So the argument is weakened.

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All right thanks ;)

One more question, what about C, which doesn't focus on Florida but the conclusion focus on Florida?
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The 'significant increase' will out weigh the '3% decrease'. So the argument is weakened.

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All you need to work out is is the number of people retiring to Florida going down. The question suggests so because the percentage of people in the whole country who retire there is going down.

C says that the total number in the whole country who are retiring is going up.

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In the United states,of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired,the percentage who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years.Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees,these declines are likely to have a noticeably negative economic effect on these businesses and therefore on the economy of Florida.
Which of the following,if true,most seriously weakens the argument given?

(A)People who moved from one state to another when they retired moved a greater distance,on average,last year than such people did ten years ago.

(B)People were more likely to retire to North Carolina from another state last year than people were ten years ago.

(C)The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased significantly over the past ten years

(D)The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year then it was ten years ago

(E)Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state.

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In the United states,of the people who moved from one state to another when they retired,the percentage who retired to Florida has decreased by three percentage points over the past ten years.Since many local businesses in Florida cater to retirees,these declines are likely to have a noticeably negative economic effect on these businesses and therefore on the economy of Florida.
Which of the following,if true,most seriously weakens the argument given?

(A)People who moved from one state to another when they retired moved a greater distance,on average,last year than such people did ten years ago.-->out of scope..No relevance to distance they moved

(B)People were more likely to retire to North Carolina from another state last year than people were ten years ago.-->out of scope...not relevant w.r.t florida

(C)The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased significantly over the past ten years->this weakens the argument as even if less people retire in florida,chances of people moving in is more and hence business wont be affected

(D)The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year then it was ten years ago-->out of scope

(E)Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state.-->comparison between states not relevant.

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(A)People who moved from one state to another when they retired moved a greater distance,on average,last year than such people did ten years ago.-->out of scope..No relevance to distance they moved

(B)People were more likely to retire to North Carolina from another state last year than people were ten years ago.-->out of scope...not relevant w.r.t florida

(C)The number of people who moved from one state to another when they retired has increased significantly over the past ten years->this weakens the argument as even if less people retire in florida,chances of people moving in is more and hence business wont be affected

(D)The number of people who left Florida when they retired to live in another state was greater last year then it was ten years ago-->out of scope

(E)Florida attracts more people who move from one state to another when they retire than does any other state.-->comparison between states not relevant.

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