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\(x+3=4x3\). Check point is at \(x=3\) (check point, is the value of x for which the value of an expression in modulus equals to zero). When \(x\leq{3}\), then \(x+3<0\), thus \(x+3=(x+3)\). So, in this case we have \((x+3)=4x3\) > \(x=0\) > discard this solution since we consider the range when \(x\leq{3}\). When \(x>{3}\), then \(x+3>0\), thus \(x+3=x+3\). So, in this case we have \(x+3=4x3\) > \(x=2\) > since \(x=2>3\), then this solution is valid. So, we have that \(x+3=4x3\) has only one root: \(x=2\). Hope it's clear.
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WholeLottaLove wrote: Bunuel wrote: \(x+3=4x3\). Check point is at \(x=3\) (check point, is the value of x for which the value of an expression in modulus equals to zero).
When \(x\leq{3}\), then \(x+3<0\), thus \(x+3=(x+3)\). So, in this case we have \((x+3)=4x3\) > \(x=0\) > discard this solution since we consider the range when \(x\leq{3}\).
When \(x>{3}\), then \(x+3>0\), thus \(x+3=x+3\). So, in this case we have \(x+3=4x3\) > \(x=2\) > since \(x=2>3\), then this solution is valid.
So, we have that \(x+3=4x3\) has only one root: \(x=2\).
Hope it's clear. Why do we discard that solution? We consider the range \(x\leq{3}\). x=0 is out of this range. Check absolute values chapter of math book: mathabsolutevaluemodulus86462.htmlHope it helps.
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I think I got it. Thanks! Bunuel wrote: WholeLottaLove wrote: Bunuel wrote: \(x+3=4x3\). Check point is at \(x=3\) (check point, is the value of x for which the value of an expression in modulus equals to zero).
When \(x\leq{3}\), then \(x+3<0\), thus \(x+3=(x+3)\). So, in this case we have \((x+3)=4x3\) > \(x=0\) > discard this solution since we consider the range when \(x\leq{3}\).
When \(x>{3}\), then \(x+3>0\), thus \(x+3=x+3\). So, in this case we have \(x+3=4x3\) > \(x=2\) > since \(x=2>3\), then this solution is valid.
So, we have that \(x+3=4x3\) has only one root: \(x=2\).
Hope it's clear. Why do we discard that solution? We consider the range \(x\leq{3}\). x=0 is out of this range. Check absolute values chapter of math book: mathabsolutevaluemodulus86462.htmlHope it helps.



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Hi Bunnel, I've been struggling a lot in inequalities.. I've a question pertaining to solution provided by saxenaashi ...
1) x >=3 ==> x  3 = 2x 3 ====> x = 0 ; discard[Understood this part]2) 3/2 < x < 3 ===> (x3) = 2x 3 ====> x + 3 = 2x 3 ===> x =2 ( accepted solution )[Did not understand, Why ve sign is here as the x range is positive]3) x < 3/2 ===> (x3) = (2x 3) ====> x = 3 (discarded the solution)[Understood] Another thing is 3/2(inclusive) is not at all considered in the range in any of the three checkpoints.
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kawan84 wrote: Hi Bunnel, I've been struggling a lot in inequalities.. I've a question pertaining to solution provided by saxenaashi ...
1) x >=3 ==> x  3 = 2x 3 ====> x = 0 ; discard[Understood this part]2) 3/2 < x < 3 ===> (x3) = 2x 3 ====> x + 3 = 2x 3 ===> x =2 ( accepted solution )[Did not understand, Why ve sign is here as the x range is positive]3) x < 3/2 ===> (x3) = (2x 3) ====> x = 3 (discarded the solution)[Understood] Another thing is 3/2(inclusive) is not at all considered in the range in any of the three checkpoints.
What am i missing here and how to solve these questions effectively Absolute value properties:When \(x \leq{0}\) then \(x=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(some \ expression={(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(5=5=(5)\); When \(x \geq{0}\) then \(x=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(some \ expression={some \ expression}\). For example: \(5=5\). SOLUTION:We have two transition points for \(x3=2x3\): \(x=\frac{3}{2}\) and \(x=3\). Thus three ranges to check: 1. \(x<\frac{3}{2}\); 2. \(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\); 3. \(3<x\) Note that it does not matter in which range(s) you include the transition points with "=" sign as long you include them. 1. When \(x<\frac{3}{2}\), then \(x3\) is negative and \(2x3\) is negative too, thus \(x3=(x3)\) and \(2x3=(2x3)\). Therefore for this range \(x3=2x3\) transforms to \((x3)=(2x3)\) > \(x=0\). This solution is OK, since \(x=0\) is in the range we consider (\(x<\frac{3}{2}\)). 2. When \(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\), then \(x3\) is negative and \(2x3\) is positive, thus \(x3=(x3)\) and \(2x3=2x3\). Therefore for this range \(x3=2x3\) transforms to \((x3)=2x3\) > \(x=2\). This solution is OK, since \(x=2\) is in the range we consider (\(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\)). 3. When \(3<x\), then \(x3\) is positive and \(2x3\) is positive too, thus \(x3=x3\) and \(2x3=2x3\). Therefore for this range \(x3=2x3\) transforms to \(x3=2x3\) > \(x=0\). This solution is NOT OK, since \(x=0\) is NOT in the range we consider (\(3<x\)). Thus \(x3=2x3\) has two solutions \(x=0\) and \(x=2\). Hope it's clear. P.S. Though for this particular question I still suggest another approach shown in my post here: isx01x34x32x32x127978.html#p1048512
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Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. For statement 1, let us square both sides of the equation and remove the modulus sign. \(x+3=4x3\) squaring both sides we get, (x+3)^2 = (4x3)^2 = x^2 + 6x + 9 = 16x^2  24x + 9 = 15x^2  30x = 0 x^2  2x = 0 x can be 0 or 2. Hence Statement 1 is not sufficient. Please correct me if i had made a mistake.



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navigator123 wrote: Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. For statement 1, let us square both sides of the equation and remove the modulus sign. \(x+3=4x3\) squaring both sides we get, (x+3)^2 = (4x3)^2 = x^2 + 6x + 9 = 16x^2  24x + 9 = 15x^2  30x = 0 x^2  2x = 0 x can be 0 or 2. Hence Statement 1 is not sufficient. Please correct me if i had made a mistake. Substitute 0 in the equation, does it hold true?
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Re: Is x > 0? (1) x + 3 = 4x – 3 (2) x – 3 = 2x – 3 [#permalink]
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Is x > 0?
(1) x + 3 = 4x – 3 (2) x – 3 = 2x – 3
(1) x + 3 = 4x – 3
Well, we know that (4x3) must be greater than or equal to zero: 4x3 >= 0 ===> 4x>=3 ===> x>=3/4
So, for #1 I would say that it is sufficient. For 4x3 to be positive x must be greater than or equal to 3/4. SUFFICIENT
(2) x – 3 = 2x – 3
We don't know if both sides are positive so we can't take the square root. So: x – 3 = 2x – 3
(x3)=(2x3) ===> x3=2x3 ===> 3x=0 ===> x=0 OR (x3)=2x+3 ===> x3=2x+3 ===> 3x=6 ===> x=2
Here, we have two valid solutions. INSUFFICIENT
EDIT: Apparently you CAN square both sides in #2. I thought you had to know that, for example (x3) and (2x3) are positive in order for you to be able to square both sides?



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Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. for (2) why do you start by squaring both sides? What is the rule that you are using to determine that this is the first step? Thank you!



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You can square both sides of an inequality or equation when there are absolute values involved. Think of it like this: x^2 = y^2 x = y Lets say x^2 = 4. Now, x can be 2 OR 2 because squaring any number positive or negative will result in a number ≥ 0. kanderoo wrote: Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. for (2) why do you start by squaring both sides? What is the rule that you are using to determine that this is the first step? Thank you!



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Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. Sneaky problem. That's interesting that you're expected to catch this before solving the equation. I solved for x=2 and x=0 in A and then tested to find that 0 wasn't actually valid (repeating the same process in B to find that A was correct answer). Also, could you explain again why you will sometimes solve for answers in these absolute value equations that aren't actually valid solutions? That doesn't make sense to me.



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vandygrad11 wrote: Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. Sneaky problem. That's interesting that you're expected to catch this before solving the equation. I solved for x=2 and x=0 in A and then tested to find that 0 wasn't actually valid (repeating the same process in B to find that A was correct answer). Also, could you explain again why you will sometimes solve for answers in these absolute value equations that aren't actually valid solutions? That doesn't make sense to me. It depends on how you solve. So, please show your work.
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a. x+3 = 4x 3 x+3 = x + 3 for x + 3 >= 0 > x > 3. Solving for x, x + 3 = 4x 3 > 6 = 3x > x = 2 ( solution accepted since x > 3)  x + 3 = (x +3 ) for x + 3 < 0 > x < 3. Solving for x, x  3 = 4x 3 5x = 0 > x = 0 ( solution discarded as x is not < 3) A is sufficient. b. x 3 = 2x 3 x 3 = x 3 for x3 >= 0 > x >= 3 x 3 = (x 3) for x3 < 0 > x < 3 2x 3  = 2x 3 for 2x 3 >= 0 > x >=3/2 2x 3  = (2x 3) for 2x 3 < 0 > x < 3/2 So we have 3 ranges 1) x >=3 ==> x  3 = 2x 3 ====> x = 0 ; discard 2) 3/2 < x < 3 ===> (x3) = 2x 3 ====> x + 3 = 2x 3 ===> x =2 ( accepted solution ) 3) x < 3/2 ===> (x3) = (2x 3) ====> x = 3 (discarded the solution) Let me know if I have solved the question correctly. I know the process is lengthy. One more question, if we consider the only acceptable solution in statement b i.e., x =2 (case 3/2 < x < 3), then both statements are sufficient independently and we get the answer as option (D).
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a. x+3 = 4x 3 x+3 = x + 3 for x + 3 >= 0 > x > 3. Solving for x, x + 3 = 4x 3 > 6 = 3x > x = 2 ( solution accepted since x > 3)  x + 3 = (x +3 ) for x + 3 < 0 > x < 3. Solving for x, x  3 = 4x 3 5x = 0 > x = 0 ( solution discarded as x is not < 3) A is sufficient. b. x 3 = 2x 3 x 3 = x 3 for x3 >= 0 > x >= 3 x 3 = (x 3) for x3 < 0 > x < 3 2x 3  = 2x 3 for 2x 3 >= 0 > x >=3/2 2x 3  = (2x 3) for 2x 3 < 0 > x < 3/2 So we have 3 ranges 1) x >=3 ==> x  3 = 2x 3 ====> x = 0 ; discard 2) 3/2 < x < 3 ===> (x3) = 2x 3 ====> x + 3 = 2x 3 ===> x =2 ( accepted solution ) 3) x < 3/2 ===> (x3) = (2x 3) ====> x = 3 (discarded the solution) Let me know if I have solved the question correctly. I know the process is lengthy. One more question, if we consider the only acceptable solution in statement b i.e., x =2 (case 3/2 < x < 3), then both statements are sufficient independently and we get the answer as option (D). tnx for this
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DesiGmat wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) x + 3 = 4x – 3 (2) x – 3 = 2x – 3
Please provide your valuable explanations. It has already been answered above. but for your convenience: Statement 1 says: x + 3 = 4x – 3 Now since x + 3>=0 always, 4x – 3 >=0 as well x>=3/4 >0 . Hence, it is sufficient. Statement 2: x – 3 = 2x – 3 Since both are positive numbers, we can square them and find x which is coming out to be 0 and 2. Thus, it is not sufficient. Answer therefore is A Hope you understand Kudos if you like it!!!



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vikram4689 wrote: dvinoth86 wrote: Is x > 0? (1) x + 3 = 4x – 3 (2) x – 3 = 2x – 3 Liked the question? encourage by giving kudos Remember: When you have  on both sides of eqn you do not need to VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn BUT when you have  on only one side you MUST VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn(1) x + 3 = 4x – 3 a) x + 3 = 4x – 3 => x=2 .. VALID b) (x + 3) = 4x – 3 => x=0 .. INVALID Hence Sufficient (2) x – 3 = 2x – 3 => x = 0 or 6 .. INVALID Hence InSufficient Your statement 1 has two sceneries. Then how does it become sufficient?
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ranaazad wrote: vikram4689 wrote: dvinoth86 wrote: Is x > 0? (1) x + 3 = 4x – 3 (2) x – 3 = 2x – 3 Liked the question? encourage by giving kudos Remember: When you have  on both sides of eqn you do not need to VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn BUT when you have  on only one side you MUST VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn(1) x + 3 = 4x – 3 a) x + 3 = 4x – 3 => x=2 .. VALID b) (x + 3) = 4x – 3 => x=0 .. INVALID Hence Sufficient (2) x – 3 = 2x – 3 => x = 0 or 6 .. INVALID Hence InSufficient Your statement 1 has two sceneries. Then how does it become sufficient? Dear ranaazadThe solution quoted by you above has some tacit steps. I'll list them here: St. 1 says: x + 3 = 4x – 3 . . . (1) Case 1: x + 3 > = 0That is, x > = 3 In this case, x+3 = (x+3) So, Equation 1 becomes: x + 3 = 4x  3 => 6 = 3x => x = 2 Does this value of x satisfy the condition of Case 1, that x > = 3? Yes, it does. So, x = 2 is a valid value of x. Let's now consider Case 2: x + 3 < 0That is, x < 3 In this case, x+3 = (x+3) So, Equation 1 becomes: (x + 3) = 4x  3 => x  3 = 4x  3 => 0 = 5x => x = 0 Does this value of x satisfy the condition of Case 2, that x < 3? No, it doesn't. So, x = 0 is an INVALID value of x. Thus, we got only 1 valid value of X from Statement 1 (x = 2) and so, Statement 1 is sufficient to say that x > 0. Hope this answered your doubt! Japinder
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16 May 2015, 22:37
Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. I got 0,2 in both statements. Reading your responses below, I would need to substitute to get A as the answer. However, if I input( x>=3/4 ) such as x=1 in statement 1, I get 1+3=4(RHS)4(1)3=1(LHS), any reason?



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18 May 2015, 04:49
hak15 wrote: Bunuel wrote: Is x > 0?
(1) \(x+3=4x3\) > LHS is an absolute value, which is always nonnegative (\(some \ expression\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be nonnegative > \(4x3\geq{0}\) > \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.
(2) \(x3=2x3\). Square both sides: \((x3)^2=(2x3)^2\) > \((2x3)^2(x3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2b^2=(ab)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: > \(x(3x6)=0\) > \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hope it helps. I got 0,2 in both statements. Reading your responses below, I would need to substitute to get A as the answer. However, if I input( x>=3/4 ) such as x=1 in statement 1, I get 1+3=4(RHS)4(1)3=1(LHS), any reason? First of all, x=0 is not a solution of x+3=4x−3. It has only one solution x=2. Next, the question asks whether x>0 and from (1) we get that \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), so x must be greater than 0. So, the statement answers the question. \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\) does NOT mean that any value greater than or equal to 3/4 will satisfy the equation, it means that the value(s) that satisfy it must be greater than or equal to 3/4. Hope it's clear.
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