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23 Mar 2012, 12:40

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Now that it is 23rd, will I be considered stupid or a dreamer if I say that I am still waiting for an invite????

..... One thing is for sure, if I ever become the Dean of admissions at Standord (no? Why can't I??!!?

), the first thing I am gonna do is make their process fully transparent!

C'mon Stanford, we won't be mad at you if u tell us that we weren't good enough and that u had better candidates! If anything, we will accept ur forthrightness and move on, thinking that the more accomplished person got in. But making thousands of people go thru hell for two months is not a good thing to do! Why doesn't the Integrity aspect come into force here?!???

Or are u really bothered about ur yield and ranking so much that u want to keep so many of us in limbo? Don't u think u are the best? If u think so, then do u need the stamp of any stupid ranking to tell u that? Don't u have the confidence in u? If yes, please change ur system - for the next year atleast! And believe me, I am not ranting coz I haven't got your love so far, I really feel for many of those fellow students, who probably have been unlucky from most of their top choices without securing any admit till now and are banking on u to show them some love. They deserve to know their fate ASAP.

Please understand that while for the school, it is just a matter of choosing a few very bright candidates from an overall reasonably bright pool, for many of us ..... It's a huge career change, a huge life's risk that we are taking ... A risk that will define our future, our family's future ...... I think a little more transparency will do good here.

I really believe that u are one of the best .... Don't need any rankings to tell me that. It's about time u also started having that faith in urself Stanford

Best,
Sam

I think I'm the only person who thinks that Stanford is forthright about their process up front. I knew that if I didn't receive an invite by last week that it was probably not going to happen at Stanford. We all went into this application knowing that they do not have a mid decision release date. Do I prefer that method to Stanford's. Maybe? It does put people out of their misery sooner. But we're all insightful individuals and should be able to read the writing on the wall. Stanford interviews all admitted candidates (by invitation only). It's less than a week from the final decision day and we haven't been invited to interview. Therefore, we haven't been admitted. Does it suck? Yes, because rejection always sucks. However, I don't feel that Stanford has promised us any more info than what they've provided. They've stuck to what they said they would do. We signed up for this when we forked over $265 and hit submit.

Besides, who needs palm trees anyways ;-)

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23 Mar 2012, 12:58

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tgtivyleague wrote:

Now that it is 23rd, will I be considered stupid or a dreamer if I say that I am still waiting for an invite????

..... One thing is for sure, if I ever become the Dean of admissions at Standord (no? Why can't I??!!?

), the first thing I am gonna do is make their process fully transparent!

C'mon Stanford, we won't be mad at you if u tell us that we weren't good enough and that u had better candidates! If anything, we will accept ur forthrightness and move on, thinking that the more accomplished person got in. But making thousands of people go thru hell for two months is not a good thing to do! Why doesn't the Integrity aspect come into force here?!???

Or are u really bothered about ur yield and ranking so much that u want to keep so many of us in limbo? Don't u think u are the best? If u think so, then do u need the stamp of any stupid ranking to tell u that? Don't u have the confidence in u? If yes, please change ur system - for the next year atleast! And believe me, I am not ranting coz I haven't got your love so far, I really feel for many of those fellow students, who probably have been unlucky from most of their top choices without securing any admit till now and are banking on u to show them some love. They deserve to know their fate ASAP.

Please understand that while for the school, it is just a matter of choosing a few very bright candidates from an overall reasonably bright pool, for many of us ..... It's a huge career change, a huge life's risk that we are taking ... A risk that will define our future, our family's future ...... I think a little more transparency will do good here.

I really believe that u are one of the best .... Don't need any rankings to tell me that. It's about time u also started having that faith in urself Stanford

Best,
Sam

I think I'm the only person who thinks that Stanford is forthright about their process up front. I knew that if I didn't receive an invite by last week that it was probably not going to happen at Stanford. We all went into this application knowing that they do not have a mid decision release date. Do I prefer that method to Stanford's. Maybe? It does put people out of their misery sooner. But we're all insightful individuals and should be able to read the writing on the wall. Stanford interviews all admitted candidates (by invitation only). It's less than a week from the final decision day and we haven't been invited to interview. Therefore, we haven't been admitted. Does it suck? Yes, because rejection always sucks. However, I don't feel that Stanford has promised us any more info than what they've provided. They've stuck to what they said they would do. We signed up for this when we forked over $265 and hit submit.

Besides, who needs palm trees anyways ;-)

Cheets,
I am not saying that they have stabbed us in the back by saying they will give us a decision and they didn't! I agree we signed the dotted line knowing that there is no mid-decision date but why cannot there be one? It helps give a closure to a person.

Besides, why did u assume that ur chances are there till the last week? Because someone last year got one, right? It's not that Stanford told u about it! So why can't they be forthright about the day by which they have read ALL the applications and done the initial sifting and selected the interviewees? Why give this agony till the last day.

Btw: I know of a fellow applicant who got an admit from UCLA by getting an interview invite ONLY three days before the final deadline - end Jan!! and that too when he/she had not heard anything from them on the mid-interview decision date deadline (mid Dec)! Beat that

Palm trees ..... Hmmmmmmm

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23 Mar 2012, 13:33

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cheetarah1980 wrote:

tgtivyleague wrote:

Now that it is 23rd, will I be considered stupid or a dreamer if I say that I am still waiting for an invite????

..... One thing is for sure, if I ever become the Dean of admissions at Standord (no? Why can't I??!!?

), the first thing I am gonna do is make their process fully transparent!

C'mon Stanford, we won't be mad at you if u tell us that we weren't good enough and that u had better candidates! If anything, we will accept ur forthrightness and move on, thinking that the more accomplished person got in. But making thousands of people go thru hell for two months is not a good thing to do! Why doesn't the Integrity aspect come into force here?!???

Or are u really bothered about ur yield and ranking so much that u want to keep so many of us in limbo? Don't u think u are the best? If u think so, then do u need the stamp of any stupid ranking to tell u that? Don't u have the confidence in u? If yes, please change ur system - for the next year atleast! And believe me, I am not ranting coz I haven't got your love so far, I really feel for many of those fellow students, who probably have been unlucky from most of their top choices without securing any admit till now and are banking on u to show them some love. They deserve to know their fate ASAP.

Please understand that while for the school, it is just a matter of choosing a few very bright candidates from an overall reasonably bright pool, for many of us ..... It's a huge career change, a huge life's risk that we are taking ... A risk that will define our future, our family's future ...... I think a little more transparency will do good here.

I really believe that u are one of the best .... Don't need any rankings to tell me that. It's about time u also started having that faith in urself Stanford

Best,
Sam

I think I'm the only person who thinks that Stanford is forthright about their process up front. I knew that if I didn't receive an invite by last week that it was probably not going to happen at Stanford. We all went into this application knowing that they do not have a mid decision release date. Do I prefer that method to Stanford's. Maybe? It does put people out of their misery sooner. But we're all insightful individuals and should be able to read the writing on the wall. Stanford interviews all admitted candidates (by invitation only). It's less than a week from the final decision day and we haven't been invited to interview. Therefore, we haven't been admitted. Does it suck? Yes, because rejection always sucks. However, I don't feel that Stanford has promised us any more info than what they've provided. They've stuck to what they said they would do. We signed up for this when we forked over $265 and hit submit.

Besides, who needs palm trees anyways ;-)

Cheets,
I am not saying that they have stabbed us in the back by saying they will give us a decision and they didn't! I agree we signed the dotted line knowing that there is no mid-decision date but why cannot there be one? It helps give a closure to a person.

Besides, why did u assume that ur chances are there till the last week? Because someone last year got one, right? It's not that Stanford told u about it! So why can't they be forthright about the day by which they have read ALL the applications and done the initial sifting and selected the interviewees? Why give this agony till the last day.

Btw: I know of a fellow applicant who got an admit from UCLA by getting an interview invite ONLY three days before the final deadline - end Jan!! and that too when he/she had not heard anything from them on the mid-interview decision date deadline (mid Dec)! Beat that

Palm trees ..... Hmmmmmmm

I get what you're saying. I figured that last week would be the end of invites because the email they sent after I submitted said they would send invites up to a week before the decision day. I didn't look through last year's thread to see when the last invite went out.

Yes I do think a mid decision day is more humane. But look at the Booth thread. There was a bunch of weeping and gnashing of teeth over that one too and it was spelled out pretty clearly when we would know by. Feb. 15 was the release date and people were asking to be put out of their misery if they weren't invited after the first 2 days. I don't think anything short of instant acceptance would satisfy people. You combine ambition with insecurity and nerves and that's pretty much your average MBA applicant. Just trying to put it into a different perspective. Besides Stanford is such a black box that any application is like a hail Mary pass. People who we think should be shoo-ins to get in don't even get interviewed while others who do get the coveted acceptance make us scratch our heads and say WTF. For all we know Stanford spreads the printed applications on its vast lawn and has a goat select which apps it likes. Maybe we were the unlucky ones and the Stanny goat didn't eat our apps. Meh, oh well.

Now the UCLA thing is just brutal. What's the point of a mid decision release date if you don't release the person you're not inviting?! That's just a mind f#$% right there.

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23 Mar 2012, 13:58

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For all we know Stanford spreads the printed applications on its vast lawn and has a goat select which apps it likes. Maybe we were the unlucky ones and the Stanny goat didn't eat our apps. Meh, oh well.

Now the UCLA thing is just brutal. What's the point of a mid decision release date if you don't release the person you're not inviting?! That's just a mind f#$% right there.

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23 Mar 2012, 14:04

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Cheets,
I am not saying that they have stabbed us in the back by saying they will give us a decision and they didn't! I agree we signed the dotted line knowing that there is no mid-decision date but why cannot there be one? It helps give a closure to a person.

Besides, why did u assume that ur chances are there till the last week? Because someone last year got one, right? It's not that Stanford told u about it! So why can't they be forthright about the day by which they have read ALL the applications and done the initial sifting and selected the interviewees? Why give this agony till the last day.

Btw: I know of a fellow applicant who got an admit from UCLA by getting an interview invite ONLY three days before the final deadline - end Jan!! and that too when he/she had not heard anything from them on the mid-interview decision date deadline (mid Dec)! Beat that

Palm trees ..... Hmmmmmmm

Exactly. The argument isn't about whether they live up to their promises, it's about a better process than what we have. I absolutely agree with the a need for greater transparency, although I can't say there's a school which has been perfect in this process. Look at Harvard's ability to "release" applicants within 35 days of receiving such a high volume of applicants. I have the distinct feeling HBS ditches so many people because they kick out the applicants which don't meet their "list"...not from a top 25 undergrad - OUT...not from investment banking or consulting - OUT...etc. I don't believe for one moment HBS is capable of thoroughly evaluating every applicant's credentials, which is HOW they are able to kick out so many applicants so quickly.

Now, I like to pretend Stanford & MIT are more thorough with their evaluations which is WHY they don't have a mid-decision date. Personally, I'd rather someone (or multiple people) take real time to evaluate my application instead of kicking me out for some arbitrary reason such as which undergrad I selected 16 years ago. That being said, there is a moment every applicant has a final review and a decision is made to either interview, waitlist or reject. There is NO reason a school can't do the simple courtesy of notifying the candidate if the application has been rejected. The $265 fee should be plenty to cover the cost of someone going into the system with the daily/weekly rejects and clicking the box in the system to send the auto-denial letter. There is no reason to keep applicants waiting unnecessarily when decisions have already been made.

In my opinion, there are two things which would improve the Stanford process. 1) the above...notify candidates as soon as there's no more hope 2) interview more candidates. Since Stanford uses Alumni interviews (which likely costs them nothing), there's NO reason getting an interview from Stanford should be harder than getting accepted by many other schools. Why not interview more students and hear their stories 1st hand? You might be surprised what you find out there...

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23 Mar 2012, 14:53

but looking at past threads i think it was very unlikely for people to get an interview this week. I just think that no one wanted to be the one to say it.

anyway hopefully on tuesday..the mood will be better

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23 Mar 2012, 15:47

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cheetarah1980 wrote:

For all we know Stanford spreads the printed applications on its vast lawn and has a goat select which apps it likes. Maybe we were the unlucky ones and the Stanny goat didn't eat our apps. Meh, oh well.

Now the UCLA thing is just brutal. What's the point of a mid decision release date if you don't release the person you're not inviting?! That's just a mind f#$% right there.

Attn: Stanny Goat
Please eat my app
xoxo,
LRW

Hilarious.

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23 Mar 2012, 15:54

And gone4it I actually think Stanford interviews enough applicants. They interview 1000 applicants for 350 spots. Don't u think that's enough. I mean if they interviewed more people they would only be giving more false hope to the admissions pool. It's great to get an interview but it's even better to actually get in. What's the point of more people getting interviewed if the class size is going to stay the same. I mean...the fact that an applicant did not receive an interview means that they may not have stood out in comparison to the general pool.

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And gone4it I actually think Stanford interviews enough applicants. They interview 1000 applicants for 350 spots. Don't u think that's enough. I mean if they interviewed more people they would only be giving more false hope to the admissions pool. It's great to get an interview but it's even better to actually get in. What's the point of more people getting interviewed if the class size is going to stay the same. I mean...the fact that an applicant did not receive an interview means that they may not have stood out in comparison to the general pool.

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Long time lurker on this thread. Having watched many ppl express frustration here at not hearing back from GSB, I thought of joining in. I have given up on Stanford. At 265$ , this was the most expensive app in terms of both $ and effort. I think we have a decent sample size here. i don't see how any of us can get admitted without an interview so it is very likely none of us stood out in comparison to the ones who will eventually get admitted. I am sure we all have an unique selling point, and none of us have invented a drug to cure cancer etc. Reminds me of what one of the GSB adcom members told me during an info session - to get into Stanford you don't have to be unique or extraordinary, you just have to do simple things extraordinarily well. Whatever that meant, obviously it wasn't as straightforward as it was made to sound. Now onto Tuesday when we wake up to a ding from Stanford and console ourselves for having attempted to answer : "What matters to me most, and why?"..

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23 Mar 2012, 17:03

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And gone4it I actually think Stanford interviews enough applicants. They interview 1000 applicants for 350 spots. Don't u think that's enough. I mean if they interviewed more people they would only be giving more false hope to the admissions pool...

Interviewing is not about "feeling good" or "giving false hope". It's not about feeling like you have a 1/3 chance or you beat 85% of everyone else getting one. It should be about using the interview to get a more holistic understanding of the applicant. Kellogg & Tuck interview all applicants. I've heard that by the time Stanford interviews someone they're already "accepted" and the interview primarily serves to identify which candidates are a good culture fit for the school. They only using Alumni, so what's the harm in expanding the purpose and use it to do more? I've been told I'm a very good writer, and I personally felt like my "what matters most" was some of the best writing I've ever done (though obviously the subject matter - me - sucked :wink:

). However, not all applicants communicate their story as effectively in writing as they could in an interview. Likewise, candidates with 10yrs of experience are forced to address only examples from the last 3 years in their essays. I'm sure there are many other scenarios where candidates' applications would benefit from an interview.

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23 Mar 2012, 17:55

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MBAorLust wrote:

And gone4it I actually think Stanford interviews enough applicants. They interview 1000 applicants for 350 spots. Don't u think that's enough. I mean if they interviewed more people they would only be giving more false hope to the admissions pool...

Interviewing is not about "feeling good" or "giving false hope". It's not about feeling like you have a 1/3 chance or you beat 85% of everyone else getting one. It should be about using the interview to get a more holistic understanding of the applicant. Kellogg & Tuck interview all applicants. I've heard that by the time Stanford interviews someone they're already "accepted" and the interview primarily serves to identify which candidates are a good culture fit for the school. They only using Alumni, so what's the harm in expanding the purpose and use it to do more? I've been told I'm a very good writer, and I personally felt like my "what matters most" was some of the best writing I've ever done (though obviously the subject matter - me - sucked :wink:

). However, not all applicants communicate their story as effectively in writing as they could in an interview. Likewise, candidates with 10yrs of experience are forced to address only examples from the last 3 years in their essays. I'm sure there are many other scenarios where candidates' applications would benefit from an interview.

That might just be a rumor. I know the interview does not carry the most weight. But why bother interviewing someone they have already denied when they could have extended that interview to someone they wait listed without an interview?

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23 Mar 2012, 18:17

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Gone4it wrote:

MBAorLust wrote:

And gone4it I actually think Stanford interviews enough applicants. They interview 1000 applicants for 350 spots. Don't u think that's enough. I mean if they interviewed more people they would only be giving more false hope to the admissions pool...

Interviewing is not about "feeling good" or "giving false hope". It's not about feeling like you have a 1/3 chance or you beat 85% of everyone else getting one. It should be about using the interview to get a more holistic understanding of the applicant. Kellogg & Tuck interview all applicants. I've heard that by the time Stanford interviews someone they're already "accepted" and the interview primarily serves to identify which candidates are a good culture fit for the school. They only using Alumni, so what's the harm in expanding the purpose and use it to do more? I've been told I'm a very good writer, and I personally felt like my "what matters most" was some of the best writing I've ever done (though obviously the subject matter - me - sucked :wink:

). However, not all applicants communicate their story as effectively in writing as they could in an interview. Likewise, candidates with 10yrs of experience are forced to address only examples from the last 3 years in their essays. I'm sure there are many other scenarios where candidates' applications would benefit from an interview.

That might just be a rumor. I know the interview does not carry the most weight. But why bother interviewing someone they have already denied when they could have extended that interview to someone they wait listed without an interview?

probably to just get the alumni involved in the admission process and make them feel that like stakeholders

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23 Mar 2012, 19:21

Then if that's true Stanford would be in the wrong for using us as guinea pigs. It could be expensive to travel for an interview.. If u want alumni participation do something else

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Exactly. The argument isn't about whether they live up to their promises, it's about a better process than what we have. I absolutely agree with the a need for greater transparency, although I can't say there's a school which has been perfect in this process. Look at Harvard's ability to "release" applicants within 35 days of receiving such a high volume of applicants. I have the distinct feeling HBS ditches so many people because they kick out the applicants which don't meet their "list"...not from a top 25 undergrad - OUT...not from investment banking or consulting - OUT...etc. I don't believe for one moment HBS is capable of thoroughly evaluating every applicant's credentials, which is HOW they are able to kick out so many applicants so quickly.

Now, I like to pretend Stanford & MIT are more thorough with their evaluations which is WHY they don't have a mid-decision date. Personally, I'd rather someone (or multiple people) take real time to evaluate my application instead of kicking me out for some arbitrary reason such as which undergrad I selected 16 years ago. That being said, there is a moment every applicant has a final review and a decision is made to either interview, waitlist or reject. There is NO reason a school can't do the simple courtesy of notifying the candidate if the application has been rejected. The $265 fee should be plenty to cover the cost of someone going into the system with the daily/weekly rejects and clicking the box in the system to send the auto-denial letter. There is no reason to keep applicants waiting unnecessarily when decisions have already been made.

In my opinion, there are two things which would improve the Stanford process. 1) the above...notify candidates as soon as there's no more hope 2) interview more candidates. Since Stanford uses Alumni interviews (which likely costs them nothing), there's NO reason getting an interview from Stanford should be harder than getting accepted by many other schools. Why not interview more students and hear their stories 1st hand? You might be surprised what you find out there...

Really? You want Stanford to send dings throughout the process? Can you imagine waking up everyday for two months with the possibility that a status update notification that will lead to a ding could be sitting in your email? I know what that's like and for a real example go check out the Kellogg thread posts this week. Kellogg releases admits/WL/dings throughout the week and people go crazy while praying for the call/admit email that could come just as easily as the ding. It's miserable. I'm glad Stanford doesn't do that.

We say a mid decision day doesn't give the adcom enough time to truly go through the holistic process. However, I don't think we could handle random dings any better than not knowing for sure. None of these situations are easy on us. I think if Stanford did as you're suggesting there would be just as much uproar, if not more, as there is right now.

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23 Mar 2012, 22:58

Exactly, Cheetarah. Really, I'd want exactly what Wharton and Harvard have - waves of invitations going out and a firm end date. I wrote myself off of Stanford's invite list when I came back from my vacation last week, but it could have saved me three weeks of nerves/anxiety to just know ahead of time. Still, it is what it is.

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cheetarah1980 wrote:

For all we know Stanford spreads the printed applications on its vast lawn and has a goat select which apps it likes. Maybe we were the unlucky ones and the Stanny goat didn't eat our apps. Meh, oh well.

Now the UCLA thing is just brutal. What's the point of a mid decision release date if you don't release the person you're not inviting?! That's just a mind f#$% right there.

Attn: Stanny Goat
Please eat my app
xoxo,
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Hilarious.

I do agree that there should be a uniform process that all the schools adhere to, as far as timing or dates. But then they wouldn't get to hog certain dates or have preference in order as films do when jockeying for certain opening weekends. In truth, it's a market that they make, so we the "customers" don't really have any leverage in this process. It's not like we're going to stop applying to these schools and all go to U of Phoenix.

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Re: Stanford 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]

24 Mar 2012, 03:09