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How is D the correct answer choice? It mentions that smaller planets relative to the size of the stars are difficult to detect. Th option is not talking about all the small planets. It is talking about the size of the planets relative to the size of the stars.

Here's the claim the support for which we have to weaken:

earthlike worlds form a very low percentage of the planets orbiting stars in the galaxy other than the sun

Here's the support for that claim:

Of over two hundred planets that astronomers have detected around other stars, almost all are hundreds of times larger and heavier than the earth and orbit stars much smaller than the sun.

Notice that the evidence is the characteristics of "planets that astronomers have detected around other stars."

Those characteristics of planets that astronomers have detected are that "almost all are hundreds of times larger and heavier than the earth and orbit stars much smaller than the sun."

So, the reasoning of the argument is basically that, since most planets detected are larger and heavier than the Earth and orbit stars smaller than the Sun, Earthlike worlds form a very low percentage of the planets orbiting stars in the galaxy.

Now, let's consider choice (D).

D. The smaller a planet is relative to the star it orbits, the more difficult it is for astronomers to detect.

At first this information may seem irrelevant to the argument, but if we consider it carefully, we can make the following connection.

Choice (D) says that planets that are small and orbit large stars are hard to detect. So, it may be that the reason most "planets that astronomers have detected" are large and orbit small stars is simply that astronomers have not succeeded in detecting planets like Earth, which are small relative to the stars they orbit.

Thus, (D) shows that the conclusion that "earthlike worlds form a very low percentage of the planets" doesn't necessarily follow from the evidence about "planets that astronomers have detected because the planets astronomers have detected may not be a representative sample of "the planets orbiting stars in the galaxy."

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Our argument says that the stars are smaller as compared to the sun. What if the size of the stars and the planets are almost the same? How is D making sense then?

A planet almost the same size as a star would be a very big planet because stars are generally much larger than planets. Also, notice that the argument doesn't say that the detected planets are similar in size to stars. Rather, it says that the planets are "hundreds of times larger and heavier than the earth," meaning that they are still much smaller than stars.

In any case, (D) still works even if some planets are close in size to the stars they orbit because it could still be the case that planets that are small relative to the stars they orbit, as Earth is to the sun, would not be detected.
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Which would weaken the justification of the claim?

C. A planet orbiting a star similar to the sun would be more likely to be earthlike in size than would a planet orbiting a much smaller star.

We don't know how many stars are Sun-like. If Sun-like stars form a very low percentage, Earth like planets will form a very low percentage too. We need to weaken the justification i.e. the observation.

D. The smaller a planet is relative to the star it orbits, the more difficult it is for astronomers to detect.

This says that our sample may not be representative of the population. If smaller planets are harder to detect, only large planets might have been detected. Hence, of the 200 planets, most were large because they were easy to find. Perhaps, smaller planets are harder to find and hence were not a part of the 200.

Answer (D)

­Ma'am,

Option C says the we need to scout Sun-like stars to find Earth-like planets. Since we haven't scouted any Sun-like stars, and our observation is based entirely on scouting smaller planets, we don't know how many Earth-like planets are out there.

Only when we scout Sun-like stars, will we know how many Earth-like planets are there. Scouting smaller or larger stars does not give accurate data. Hence, our data sample which is based on scouting smaller stars is useless.

Can you help me explain the mistake in this logic?
Thank you.
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In a sampling CR, information about A SAMPLE is used to draw a conclusion about A WHOLE GROUP.
To weaken the conclusion, the correct answer will typically indicate WHY the sample might not accurately reflect the whole group.

Case 1: https://gmatclub.com/forum/guidebook-writer-i-have-visited-hotels-throughout-the-country-and-hav-80358.html
Here, the OA suggests that poorly constructed hotels have likely been torn down.
Implication:
The visited hotels in the passage do not accurately reflect ALL hotels built before 1930.

Case 2: https://gmatclub.com/forum/people-who-h ... 23222.html
Here, the OA suggests that zoo employees with allergy issues are likely to switch to another occupation.
Implication:
The zoo employees in the survey do not accurately reflect ALL zoo employees with allergy issues.

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Recent observations suggest that small, earthlike worlds form a very low percentage of the planets orbiting stars in the galaxy other than the sun. Of over two hundred planets that astronomers have detected around other stars, almost all are hundreds of times larger and heavier than the earth and orbit stars much smaller than the sun.

Which of the following, if true, would most weaken the above justification of the claim that earthlike worlds form a low percentage of the total number of planets?/

D: The smaller a planet is relative to the star it orbits, the more difficult it is for astronomers to detect.
Here, earth-like planets in the galaxy are likely to be so small that they cannot be detected.
Implication:
The detected planets in the passage do not accurately reflect ALL planets in the galaxy.



A: There are millions of planets...which astronomers have not attempted to detect.
Here, there is no indication WHY the planets in red might differ from those detected by the astronomers.
Eliminate A.

­Hi GMATGuruNY I got this one wrong, and my takeaway from the question(option-A) is that ''don't assume sample bias ''unless stimulus gives some hint of it''.
But option (D) seems way too stinky for an AC for weaken type. (D) says: the more difficult it is for astronomers to detect. 
For (D) too be valid, aren't we assuming that more difficult = astronomers won't find the planets? 

(D) seems to say that more closer your exam gets more diffcult it is to study means i won't study!

Granted that (A) is weak, but (D) too is no better!

I am not sure how valid are my concerns, and i would appreciate your views.
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Granted that (A) is weak, but (D) too is no better!

I am not sure how valid are my concerns, and i would appreciate your views.

In each of the CRs referenced in my earlier post, the OA suggests that the argument is flawed not because it hasn't studied all possible data but because the sampled group inadvertently excludes members that would contradict the conclusion.

OA: The better the quality of original carpentry in a building, the less likely that building is to fall into disuse and be demolished.
Implication:
The sampled group inadverently exclude hotels with poor carpentry, since these hotels have likely been demolished.

OA: A zoo employee who develops a serious animal-induced allergy is very likely to switch to some other occupation.
Implication:
The sampled group inadvertently excludes employees with allergy issues, since these employees have likely switched to another occupation.

OA: The smaller a planet is relative to the star it orbits, the more difficult it is for astronomers to detect.
Implication:
The sampled group inadvertently excludes small, earthlike planets, since such planets are difficult for astronomers to detect.

In the OAs. note the usage of terms such as likely and difficult.
Such terms do not imply that members have DEFINITELY been excluded from the sample but only that they have PROBABLY been excluded, leading the argument to draw an incorrect conclusion.

A: There are millions of planets...which astronomers have not attempted to detect.
This option does not in any way suggest that the sampled group of planets inadvertently excludes members that would contradict the conclusion.
In fact, it is entirely possible that a study of the remaining plantets would SUPPORT the conclusion that very few are small and earthlike.
Since the OA must clearly WEAKEN the conclusion, eliminate A.
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khan0210 wrote:
What is with the wording of the new edition of CR questions? I feel like the answer choices are extremely difficult to comprehend.

What does this even mean?
A. There are millions of planets orbiting stars around which astronomers have not attempted to detect planets.

Astronomers have not tried to detect planets out of the millions of planets that orbit the many number of stars? Isn't it supposed to be trying to detect earth-like planets?

Moreover, the OG explanation for why A is incorrect includes "More importantly, though, note that the conclusion is restricted to planets orbiting stars in our galaxy. There is nothing in this answer choice to suggest that the planets it refers to are actually in our galaxy."
Where does the passage explicitly narrow in on our galaxy, and exclude other galaxies?

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and other experts please help us out here!
Why is A wrong? Even after reading the OG explanation I'm not at all convinced. A seems fair. A vs D is hard. They're so close.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance :)

I agree that some of these new questions are tricky! As usual, the exact language of the passage, question, and answer choices will help to eliminate the incorrect answers.

Let's first take a look at the passage:

  • Conclusion: "Recent observations suggest that small, earthlike worlds form a very low percentage of the planets orbiting stars in the galaxy other than the sun."
  • Justification for this conclusion: "Of over two hundred planets that astronomers have detected around other stars, almost all are hundreds of times larger and heavier than the earth and orbit stars much smaller than the sun."

The question asks which answer choice would "would most weaken the above justification of the claim that earthlike worlds form a low percentage of the total number of planets." There are a couple of things of note in this question:

  • It points us toward the justification for the claim. So, we are trying to weaken that particular piece of the passage, or the link between the justification and the passage's conclusion.
  • We need to find the answer that most weakens the justification -- this leaves open the possibility that multiple answer choices weaken the justification. We may need to eliminate the weaker weakeners (is your head spinning yet?), and keep the strongest weakener.

Take a look at (A):
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A. There are millions of planets orbiting stars around which astronomers have not attempted to detect planets.

To clarify the meaning of this sentence, note that the things "around which" astronomers have not attempted to detect planets are the "stars" mentioned earlier in the sentence. In other words, astronomers haven't attempted to detect planets around certain stars, and around these stars are millions of planets.

At a glance, this seems to weaken the force of the justification in the passage! Astronomers have only detected 200 planets, so perhaps these are not representative of the millions of other planets out there. Maybe a higher percentage of the not-yet-detected planets are earthlike, which would undermine the author's conclusion that a very low percentage of planets in the galaxy are small and earthlike.

After a bit more thought, though (A) is a pretty weak weakener (for the exact reason mentioned in the OE, which I'll try to explain a bit).

The author's conclusion is focused on the planets in our galaxy, while (A) just tells us that we haven't yet detected a bunch of planets out there somewhere in space. Maybe the 200 planets that were already detected are all within our galaxy, while the millions of undetected planets are outside of our galaxy. In this case, the justification in the passage would not be weakened very much, because the data from the 200 planets would be much more relevant to the conclusion than would the new information provided by (A).

We don't know for sure whether this is true, so we just have to keep in mind that (A) may weaken the justification provided in the passage, or it may not.

Now take a look at (D):
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D. The smaller a planet is relative to the star it orbits, the more difficult it is for astronomers to detect.

The justification in the passage for the author's conclusion is that "almost all" of the 200 planets detected by astronomers are much heavier than the earth and orbit much smaller stars. From this, the author concludes that a very low percentage of planets in the galaxy are small/earthlike.

But wait -- what if astronomers just suck at detecting small/earthlike planets in the first place? Then the justification (that almost all of the detected planets are big) doesn't mean much. It just shows that we are good at detecting one kind of planet, and bad at detecting another. The link between the 200 detected planets and the conclusion is pretty much destroyed.

(D), if true, makes the justification provided in the passage kind of worthless. (A), in comparison, is the weaker weakener -- because we don't know whether the millions of undetected planets are in our galaxy, we don't know how much it impacts the force of the passage's justification.

For this reason, (A) is out and (D) is the right answer.

I hope that helps!

­Hi, GMAT Ninja. What if in option (A) millions of planets which astronomers have not attempted to detect are of large size only, we don't know for sure that there will be a high percentage of earthlike planets out of those. Is this reasoning correct?
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