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# Shaky Math Background, seeking Advice on Quant Section

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01 Feb 2018, 22:32
My background is in the cultural sector, and my math proficiency was cut off at the grade 10 level (I believe functions was the last thing I covered).
I decided to take a year off and pursue an MBA, and I signed up for a math course at a local community college to build some basic foundations. They unfortunately did not offer any more math courses asides from the foundational course I took, and I have a math tutor who comes 3-4 xs a week for 2 hours.

I have covered the Foundations of Math (Manhattan Prep), and as I move on to the dedicated books for each quant section, I find myself struggling with words problems and geometry the most.

I was wondering if it would be best for me to hire a Math GMAT Tutor, rather than a high school math teacher? Would I see better results with someone who knows the GMAT intimately - my current tutor is at times unable to break down the mechanics of the questions, which is what matters the most to me. I am eager to do well, but it's becoming demoralizing not knowing where to turn to...

Any advice would be immensely appreciated.
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02 Feb 2018, 00:02
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variableninja wrote:
My background is in the cultural sector, and my math proficiency was cut off at the grade 10 level (I believe functions was the last thing I covered).
I decided to take a year off and pursue an MBA, and I signed up for a math course at a local community college to build some basic foundations. They unfortunately did not offer any more math courses asides from the foundational course I took, and I have a math tutor who comes 3-4 xs a week for 2 hours.

I have covered the Foundations of Math (Manhattan Prep), and as I move on to the dedicated books for each quant section, I find myself struggling with words problems and geometry the most.

I was wondering if it would be best for me to hire a Math GMAT Tutor, rather than a high school math teacher? Would I see better results with someone who knows the GMAT intimately - my current tutor is at times unable to break down the mechanics of the questions, which is what matters the most to me. I am eager to do well, but it's becoming demoralizing not knowing where to turn to...

Any advice would be immensely appreciated.

Hi...
Learning basics/fundamentals of Quant and applying it to the GMAT are two different things.
It is ofcourse important to know the basics, but at times without even knowing basics, you can get down to two choices out of 5 with the help of choices given.
Sometimes substituting some value may help and at other times substituting from answer choices may help and still at times you may have to go logically or know the method. So it is important to differentiate in these things and you may require a course/tutor to help you in this..

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02 Feb 2018, 08:22
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Hiring GMAT tutors might be pricey. You can cover the basics with the math tutor. For example, you'll have to know about inequilities, work&rate problems, etc. But you'll have to explain what exactly you want to cover. Or you can go through the manhattan guides with your tutor.

Once you cover the basics, you'll just have to practice as much possible. Here are some useful links on how to start quant preparation:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ultimate-gma ... 44512.html
https://gmatclub.com/forum/all-you-need ... 40445.html
https://gmatclub.com/forum/tricks-for-s ... 53829.html

Good luck!
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02 Feb 2018, 10:23
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Hi variableninja,

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How long have you studied?
2) Have you used any other study materials besides the books you've mentioned?
3) How have you scored on each of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for each)?

Goals:
4) What is your goal score?
5) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
6) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
7) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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02 Feb 2018, 19:50
Akela,

You are right about the practicing, I need to get comfortable with the areas that cause me the most grief. Thank you for these guides, I have taken a quick scan and they appear to be immensely helpful to my cause. I will certainly be going over them with my math tutor!
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02 Feb 2018, 20:45
Hi EMPOWERgmatRichC,

Thank you for answering my reply, I have come across your posts on this forum and it's relieving to have an expert chime in.

Studies:
1) I started in a really rough shape, I couldn't do any math without a calculator - no divisibility concepts, square roots, you name it- it was all foreign to me. From September - January I completed a community college course that helped me get a solid foundation in the technical approach (9 hours per week).
I now spend 9-10 hours per week just on Quant with a math tutor, and I should definitely be adding in more time. We could say that my number one priority is improving my Quant score.

2) I have only covered the Manhattan Prep Foundations of Math, a 4 hour pre-recorded workshop that they offer for the foundation, a diagnostic test for my basic math knowledge (there's room for a lot of improvement), and I just started on their FDP guide.

I have purchased, but not used, the following: GMAT 2018 Princeton Review, Kaplan Foundations of Math, and the 2018 GMAT OG set, Manhattan Review Complete Set, and a rather dated ARCO GMAT/GRE book, I came across a post on one of the forums that it teaches the basics. Plenty of sets, but not up to speed on the quant to fully take advantage of them.

3) My first and only CAT was taken in October.
My scores were atrociously bad: 330 (quant 5th percentile, verbal 17th percentile, IR was 1). I ran out of time in the verbal section, and attempted to guess in most cases as I couldn't deal with the time pressure.

Goals:
4) My goal score is 650-700.

5) To be totally honest, I am unsure as to when I should take it. Would it be in my best interest to book an appointment when I feel that I am up to speed on both my quant and verbal (I am thinking of October, 9 months from now). Or, give myself a shorter time period to study (by June, 5 months from now) as furiously as I can and give it a shot?

6) I know that by the time I get the GMAT score back, or my ideal score back, I would be delayed in terms of the application process. I would be deferred by a year - and that's fine. I am prepared to fight for a good score, and if that means failing to succeeding, I am very cool with it.

7) IE, Cambridge Judge, Rotman at the University of Toronto, Ivey at UWO, and McGill as well - these are the schools that attracted my attention.
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03 Feb 2018, 11:59
Hi variableninja,

Stick to your plan - consistency is the key in getting high score. I'd recommend preparing for verbal simultaneously with quant. You don't have to spend hours on verbal, just do it little by little consistently.

You can book an appointment in order to be more disciplined. For example, book your test for the end of summer, covering manhattan guides and CATs by the end of spring and taking gmatclub tests during the summer.

Here are some nice stories to read:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/best-gmat-st ... 98512.html

This forum has all the answers, just keep moving on until you cover all of the topics.

You'll get the score you want

Happy studying!
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03 Feb 2018, 15:11
Hi variableninja,

Since you're not facing any impending application deadlines, you have plenty of time to hone your general Quant skills before you focus more on the GMAT specifically. Based on everything that you have described, you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections - but you appear to have that time (and the proper perspective on the overall process) - which is good.

I suggest that you continue studying as you choose for the next month, then take a new FULL-LENGTH CAT (with the Essay and IR sections) to see how comfortable you are facing the entire Exam. Once you have that Score, you should post back and we discuss how best to proceed.

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