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The 10 students in a history class recently took an examination. What was the maximum score on the examination?

(1) The mean of the scores was 75.
(2) The standard deviation of the scores was 5.


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HI EgmatQuantExpert , GMATGuruNY

Can you please help me with this problem?

Standard deviation of the scores was 5 means it is 5 score variation, So if we combine 1 & 2 Mean = 75 Highest might be 80 & Least might be 70?


For the purposes of the GMAT, we can consider standard deviation to be the AVERAGE DISTANCE FROM THE MEAN.

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The 10 students in a history class recently took an examination. What was the maximum score on the examination?

(1) The mean of the scores was 75.
(2) The standard deviation of the scores was 5.


Statement 1 implies that the sum of the 10 scores = 10*75 = 750.
Statement 2 implies that the average distance from the mean = 5.
Given these two facts, we cannot determine the maximum score.
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1- Why the distance (mean) is not enough? Can't we say max = 80?

2-Can you please shed light when the two statement would be sufficient? what is the missing info here?

Thanks


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I will try to explain. If 75 is the mean and SD is 5, it means that on average, every value deviates from mean by 5 units. That doesnt mean every value necessarily deviates from mean by 5 units. Its possible that few values deviate from mean by 8 or 10 units also but other values deviate from mean by 1 or 2 units only. Lets take example.

{70, 70, 80, 80}. For this set, mean is 75, and since every value deviates from mean by 5 only, SD of this set is also 5. And here the MAX value is 80.

Now consider {65, 75, 75, 75, 75, 75, 75, 85}. For this set, mean is 75, SD is 5 only. But here the MAX value is 85.
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The 10 students in a history class recently took an examination. What was the maximum score on the examination?

(1) The mean of the scores was 75.
(2) The standard deviation of the scores was 5.


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(1) OK, but how much is the maximum? Could be 80, 85, 90, anything above the mean.
Insufficient.

(2) Still no useful information.... though finding specific examples is time consuming (as the equation for std is involved), we can think of the std as an expression with 10 variables representing the 10 different scores. So the maximum could, as above, be any number, such as 50, 30, 90, etc...
Insufficient.

Combined: Still not helpful, as we now have two equations for 10 variables (our 10 scores): std = 5 and mean = 75. So we cannot solve.

(E) is our answer.
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HI EgmatQuantExpert , GMATGuruNY

Can you please help me with this problem?

Standard deviation of the scores was 5 means it is 5 score variation, So if we combine 1 & 2 Mean = 75 Highest might be 80 & Least might be 70?
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HI EgmatQuantExpert , GMATGuruNY

Can you please help me with this problem?

Standard deviation of the scores was 5 means it is 5 score variation, So if we combine 1 & 2 Mean = 75 Highest might be 80 & Least might be 70?


For the purposes of the GMAT, we can consider standard deviation to be the AVERAGE DISTANCE FROM THE MEAN.

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The 10 students in a history class recently took an examination. What was the maximum score on the examination?

(1) The mean of the scores was 75.
(2) The standard deviation of the scores was 5.


Statement 1 implies that the sum of the 10 scores = 10*75 = 750.
Statement 2 implies that the average distance from the mean = 5.
Given these two facts, we cannot determine the maximum score.
INSUFFICIENT.


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NandishSS wrote:
HI EgmatQuantExpert , GMATGuruNY

Can you please help me with this problem?

Standard deviation of the scores was 5 means it is 5 score variation, So if we combine 1 & 2 Mean = 75 Highest might be 80 & Least might be 70?


For the purposes of the GMAT, we can consider standard deviation to be the AVERAGE DISTANCE FROM THE MEAN.

Quote:
The 10 students in a history class recently took an examination. What was the maximum score on the examination?

(1) The mean of the scores was 75.
(2) The standard deviation of the scores was 5.


Statement 1 implies that the sum of the 10 scores = 10*75 = 750.
Statement 2 implies that the average distance from the mean = 5.
Given these two facts, we cannot determine the maximum score.
INSUFFICIENT.



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1- Why the distance (mean) is not enough? Can't we say max = 80?

2-Can you please shed light when the two statement would be sufficient? what is the missing info here?

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I think answer is C
SD= square root of 1/n*((n1-75)^2+(n2-75)^2+..........)
to make one of 10 number biggest, we make 9 number equal to 75 ,
(n bigest-75)^2=25*10
we can find biggest n

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Given: 10 students in a history class recently took an examination
To find The maximum score on the examination.

Analysis of statement 1: The mean of the scores was 75.
This statement gives information about the mean value, but the maximum value can be anything greater than the mean value. i.e. it can be 85; 95; 105 etc…
Hence statement 1 is not sufficient to answer. We can eliminate options A and D.

Analysis of statement 2: The standard deviation of the scores was 5.
This statement gives information about on average every value deviates from mean by 5 units. This doesn’t mean that all the 10 values will be deviating from mean by 5 units; it’s also possible some may deviate 7 units or 8 units and some may deviate from mean by 2 or 3 units only.
Hence statement 2 is not sufficient to answer. We can eliminate option B.

Combining the statements 1 and 2; we get:
From statement 1; Mean value was 75
From statement 2; Standard deviation of the score was 5.
Combining two statements too we cannot answer the question.

The correct answer option is “E”.
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The 10 students in a history class recently took an examination. What was the maximum score on the examination?

(1) The mean of the scores was 75.
(2) The standard deviation of the scores was 5.

Guys could you explain to me why E is the right answer here? I understood the SD as the Deviation from the mean. And wouldn't 75+5 be the max deviation possible?

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The 10 students in a history class recently took an examination. What was the maximum score on the examination?

(1) The mean of the scores was 75.
(2) The standard deviation of the scores was 5.

Guys could you explain to me why E is the right answer here? I understood the SD as the Deviation from the mean. And wouldn't 75+5 be the max deviation possible?

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The standard deviation is not the maximum deviation. The standard deviation is, while not exactly, basically the average deviation.

Since different sets of numbers could have the same standard (average) deviation from the mean, the mean and the standard deviation are not information sufficient for calculating the maximum score.

For example:

If the scores were 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80. The mean would be 75 and the standard deviation would be 5.

In this case the maximum is 80.

Meanwhile, if the scores were 69, 69, 69, 73, 74, 76, 77, 81, 81, 81, the mean would again be 75 and the standard deviation would be approximately 5.

So, we have the same mean and standard deviation, but the maximum is now 81.
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