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What is the value of xyz?

(1) xyz - xy = 0
(2) Either x = 0, or y = 0 or z = 1

The see the OA, I think it's incorrect. What's your opinion?
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What is the value of$$xyz$$?

1) $$xyz - xy = 0$$
2) Either $$x=0,$$ or $$y=0$$ or $$z=1$$

The see the OA, I think it's incorrect. What's your opinion?

Dear suk1234,
I'm happy to respond.

I think the OA of (E) is correct. First of all, Statement #1 and Statement #2 are logical equivalent, and one implies the other.
If x = 0 or y = 0, then the other could equal anything, z could equal anything, and the product would be zero.
If z = 1, then x & y could equal anything, and the product could equal any value on the continuous infinity of the number line.
Thus, there's no way to determine a definitive value of the product.

Does this make sense? Please let me know if you have any further questions.
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26 Dec 2013, 10:11
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suk1234 wrote:
What is the value of$$xyz$$?

1) $$xyz - xy = 0$$
2) Either $$x=0,$$ or $$y=0$$ or $$z=1$$

The see the OA, I think it's incorrect. What's your opinion?

Dear suk1234,
I'm happy to respond.

I think the OA of (E) is correct. First of all, Statement #1 and Statement #2 are logical equivalent, and one implies the other.
If x = 0 or y = 0, then the other could equal anything, z could equal anything, and the product would be zero.
If z = 1, then x & y could equal anything, and the product could equal any value on the continuous infinity of the number line.
Thus, there's no way to determine a definitive value of the product.

Does this make sense? Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Mike

Thank you Mike for the Quick rescue!

Here is how I evaluated Statement 1:

Z=1 and Either X=0 or Y=0 or Both X and Y = 0

Then evaluate all the possible values!
1. (X=0) 0*Y*1=0
2. (Y=0) X*0*1=0
3. (X and Y = 0) 0*0*1=0

I think in case of statement 2 this reasoning doesn't apply because it presents three cases which may or may not be true ( $$x=0,$$ or $$y=0$$ or $$z=1$$ either of these can happen or not).
But in case of statement 1 we are definitely sure about the value of XY.
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Thank you Mike for the Quick rescue!

Here is how I evaluated Statement 1:

Z=1 and Either X=0 or Y=0 or Both X and Y = 0

Then evaluate all the possible values!
1. (X=0) 0*Y*1=0
2. (Y=0) X*0*1=0
3. (X and Y = 0) 0*0*1=0

I think in case of statement 2 this reasoning doesn't apply because it presents three cases which may or may not be true ( $$x=0,$$ or $$y=0$$ or $$z=1$$ either of these can happen or not).
But in case of statement 1 we are definitely sure about the value of XY.

Dear suk1234
I'm happy to respond.

Statement #1 says
xyz - xy = 0
xyz = xy
(xy)*z = (xy)

Here, we are presented with a choice.
Case One:
If (xy) does not equal zero, then we can divide by (xy), and get z = 1. That's one case, in which (xy) can have any value on the number line other than zero, and z = 1. Here, the product xyz would be equal to xy, and could be anything other than zero.
Case Two:
If (xy) = 0, then z could be anything on the number line. This is the other case. If (xy) = 0, then either x = 0 or y = 0, which will make the product equal zero. (Here, z could be 1, or it could be anything else on the number line.)

You see, the crucial mathematical word is the word "or" ---- either z = 1 OR (xy) = 0. You are interpreting the two requirements as if they are simultaneous, not a mutually exclusive choice. The two cases are actually mutually exclusive.

Does all this make sense?
Mike
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27 Dec 2013, 00:48
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suk1234 wrote:
Thank you Mike for the Quick rescue!

Here is how I evaluated Statement 1:

Z=1 and Either X=0 or Y=0 or Both X and Y = 0

Then evaluate all the possible values!
1. (X=0) 0*Y*1=0
2. (Y=0) X*0*1=0
3. (X and Y = 0) 0*0*1=0

I think in case of statement 2 this reasoning doesn't apply because it presents three cases which may or may not be true ( $$x=0,$$ or $$y=0$$ or $$z=1$$ either of these can happen or not).
But in case of statement 1 we are definitely sure about the value of XY.

Dear suk1234
I'm happy to respond.

Statement #1 says
xyz - xy = 0
xyz = xy
(xy)*z = (xy)

Here, we are presented with a choice.
Case One:
If (xy) does not equal zero, then we can divide by (xy), and get z = 1. That's one case, in which (xy) can have any value on the number line other than zero, and z = 1. Here, the product xyz would be equal to xy, and could be anything other than zero.
Case Two:
If (xy) = 0, then z could be anything on the number line. This is the other case. If (xy) = 0, then either x = 0 or y = 0, which will make the product equal zero. (Here, z could be 1, or it could be anything else on the number line.)

You see, the crucial mathematical word is the word "or" ---- either z = 1 OR (xy) = 0. You are interpreting the two requirements as if they are simultaneous, not a mutually exclusive choice. The two cases are actually mutually exclusive.

Does all this make sense?
Mike

Oh I see, where I was going wrong with it.Thank Mike that was an amazing explanation.
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08 Mar 2016, 03:41
xyz=?

St.1 xyz-xy=0 => xy(z-1)=0, so xy=0 or z=1 or both . If xy=0, xyz=0, if z=1, not clear. INSUFF.

St.2 Either x = 0, or y = 0 or z = 1. Again if z=1, not clear. INSUFF.

St1+St2 tell the same, so INSUFF

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08 May 2016, 20:08
what is the value of xyz?
(1) xyz-xy=0
(2) Either x=0 or y=0 or z=1

Last edited by chetan86 on 08 May 2016, 20:30, edited 1 time in total.
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08 May 2016, 20:16
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what is the value of xyz?
(1) xyz-xy=0
(2) Either x=0 or y=0

Hi,
you will have to relook into OA or the typo erros ..

(1) $$xyz-xy=0$$..
$$xy(z-1) = 0...$$
either z=1 or xy = 0...
if z=1 and xy is NOT equal to 0.. xyz can be any non-zero integer depending on xy..
If xy =0, ans will be 0..
Insuff

(2) Either x=0 or y=0
In any case , xyz will be 0..
Suff

B..

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08 May 2016, 20:23
Yeah, I rechecked the answer, and it is E. Even I am confused about this question so thought to post this question to clear my understandings.
This question is from Advance GMAT Quant.

OE is :
We can test different numeric scenarios for x, y and z using Scenario Charts. Statement (1) tells us that xyz – xy = 0. First, let's factor the equation:
xyz – xy = 0
xy(z – 1) = 0
For this product to equal zero, either x = 0, or y = 0, or z = 1.

Thus if x = 0 or y = 0, then xyz = 0, but if z = 1, then xyz could take on any value. INSUFFICIENT.

Statement (2) tells us that either x = 0 or y = 0 or z = 1. This is the exact same information from Statement (1), so we can eliminate A, B and C by Spotting Identical Statements. Since Statement (1) also proved to be insufficient, we can eliminate D as well.

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chetan86 wrote:
what is the value of xyz?
(1) xyz-xy=0
(2) Either x=0 or y=0

Hi,
you will have to relook into OA or the typo erros ..

(1) $$xyz-xy=0$$..
$$xy(z-1) = 0...$$
either z=1 or xy = 0...
if z=1 and xy is NOT equal to 0.. xyz can be any non-zero integer depending on xy..
If xy =0, ans will be 0..
Insuff

(2) Either x=0 or y=0
In any case , xyz will be 0..
Suff

B..
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08 May 2016, 20:27
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Yeah, I rechecked the answer, and it is E. Even I am confused about this question so thought to post this question to clear my understandings.
This question is from Advance GMAT Quant.

OE is :
We can test different numeric scenarios for x, y and z using Scenario Charts. Statement (1) tells us that xyz – xy = 0. First, let's factor the equation:
xyz – xy = 0
xy(z – 1) = 0
For this product to equal zero, either x = 0, or y = 0, or z = 1.

Thus if x = 0 or y = 0, then xyz = 0, but if z = 1, then xyz could take on any value. INSUFFICIENT.

Statement (2) tells us that either x = 0 or y = 0 or z = 1. This is the exact same information from Statement (1), so we can eliminate A, B and C by Spotting Identical Statements. Since Statement (1) also proved to be insufficient, we can eliminate D as well.

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chetan86 wrote:
what is the value of xyz?
(1) xyz-xy=0
(2) Either x=0 or y=0

Hi,
you will have to relook into OA or the typo erros ..

(1) $$xyz-xy=0$$..
$$xy(z-1) = 0...$$
either z=1 or xy = 0...
if z=1 and xy is NOT equal to 0.. xyz can be any non-zero integer depending on xy..
If xy =0, ans will be 0..
Insuff

(2) Either x=0 or y=0
In any case , xyz will be 0..
Suff

B..

Then there is a error in what you have given as statement 2 and what is mentioned..
as per your Q.. II is "Either x=0 or y=0", whereas the source is giveing in the OE as "Statement (2) tells us that either x = 0 or y = 0 or z = 1"..

Both the statements do NOT mean the same ..
and if statement is - Statement (2) tells us that either x = 0 or y = 0 or z = 1.. ANS will be E
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Then there is a error in what you have given as statement 2 and what is mentioned..
as per your Q.. II is "Either x=0 or y=0", whereas the source is giveing in the OE as "Statement (2) tells us that either x = 0 or y = 0 or z = 1"..

Both the statements do NOT mean the same ..
and if statement is - Statement (2) tells us that either x = 0 or y = 0 or z = 1.. ANS will be E

I have updated the question. Thanks!!
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08 May 2016, 21:05
[quote="chetan86"]what is the value of xyz?
(1) xyz-xy=0
(2) Either x=0 or y=0 or z=1

I think the answer has to be E because none of the statement is giving any fix value for any of the variable and also by combining we are not getting any confirmed answer.
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09 May 2016, 03:52
Below explanation resolved my doubts. Thanks!!

mikemcgarry wrote:
suk1234 wrote:
Thank you Mike for the Quick rescue!

Here is how I evaluated Statement 1:

Z=1 and Either X=0 or Y=0 or Both X and Y = 0

Then evaluate all the possible values!
1. (X=0) 0*Y*1=0
2. (Y=0) X*0*1=0
3. (X and Y = 0) 0*0*1=0

I think in case of statement 2 this reasoning doesn't apply because it presents three cases which may or may not be true ( $$x=0,$$ or $$y=0$$ or $$z=1$$ either of these can happen or not).
But in case of statement 1 we are definitely sure about the value of XY.

Dear suk1234
I'm happy to respond.

Statement #1 says
xyz - xy = 0
xyz = xy
(xy)*z = (xy)

Here, we are presented with a choice.
Case One:
If (xy) does not equal zero, then we can divide by (xy), and get z = 1. That's one case, in which (xy) can have any value on the number line other than zero, and z = 1. Here, the product xyz would be equal to xy, and could be anything other than zero.
Case Two:
If (xy) = 0, then z could be anything on the number line. This is the other case. If (xy) = 0, then either x = 0 or y = 0, which will make the product equal zero. (Here, z could be 1, or it could be anything else on the number line.)

You see, the crucial mathematical word is the word "or" ---- either z = 1 OR (xy) = 0. You are interpreting the two requirements as if they are simultaneous, not a mutually exclusive choice. The two cases are actually mutually exclusive.

Does all this make sense?
Mike
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