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if D is the answer can someone please explain how the passage supports the claim that the size of grassland and cheetah population is not increasing, the passage doesn't give any information on the trend
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It not an easy task to get to the right conclusion here, thanks to the wordy premises ;)
Facts and premises are explained well in above post. I will go for an example case :)

from the 1st statement it is clear that though Cheetahs population was less, the grassland area was good enough,if not great.

Case1; in 10 sqkm area there are 20 cheetahs. Natural disaster-->very low chances that many cheetahs getting effected, but still the effect is huge as population is less.

Case2: Huge reduction in grassland area: 5 sqkm existing. Chettahs-16 (less than earlier 20)
But here if natural disaster occurs, more cheetahs will get affected as they are confined in less area to save their lives. and at the same time more cheetah's are influenced by the disaster coz of limitations.

So I went with D as it brings out this case :)

If it is not clear, plz let me know, i will try up presenting in a better way.
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Okay what I don't understand is the use of the words in the short term . Let me explain:-
We already know that the previous estimates were wrong and way too small to survive a natural disaster. We also know that the current population barely meets the previous estimates. Thus, we can infer that today, the current population is incapable of surviving a natural disaster. So why the use of in the short term. These words were the only I reason I discounted this statement


Hi mahendru1992,

Happy to help. What you're doing is saying that the information in the prompt supports the idea that the Wild Cheetah won't survive a natural disaster beyond just in the short-term. So how is it that we can only infer that its short-term?

The distinction comes down to knowing EXACTLY what this question is asking for. This is an inference question, which means we're asked to find an answer that HAS TO BE TRUE.

It comes down to this: just ask yourself, "do we know for sure that the Wild Cheetah population is incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the short-term?" If you're thinking the incapability is even further than short-term, than the answer to this question would HAVE TO BE: YES!

To use a different example to demonstrate the exact same logic why D has to be right: let's say we know that somebody ran at least 10 miles. Do we know that the person ran at least 1 mile? Yes. Same exact logic. If the data supports a greater range, you can infer a smaller part of that range.
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Okay what I don't understand is the use of the words in the short term . Let me explain:-
We already know that the previous estimates were wrong and way too small to survive a natural disaster. We also know that the current population barely meets the previous estimates. Thus, we can infer that today, the current population is incapable of surviving a natural disaster. So why the use of in the short term. These words were the only I reason I discounted this statement


Hi mahendru1992,

Happy to help. What you're doing is saying that the information in the prompt supports the idea that the Wild Cheetah won't survive a natural disaster beyond just in the short-term. So how is it that we can only infer that its short-term?

The distinction comes down to knowing EXACTLY what this question is asking for. This is an inference question, which means we're asked to find an answer that HAS TO BE TRUE.

It comes down to this: just ask yourself, "do we know for sure that the Wild Cheetah population is incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the short-term?" If you're thinking the incapability is even further than short-term, than the answer to this question would HAVE TO BE: YES!

To use a different example to demonstrate the exact same logic why D has to be right: let's say we know that somebody ran at least 10 miles. Do we know that the person ran at least 1 mile? Yes. Same exact logic. If the data supports a greater range, you can infer a smaller part of that range.

Thanks for answering allenempowergmat
But if we do take a parallel example, shouldn't the analogy be if the person ran atleast 1 mile, could he have ran 10 miles? And the answer is of course he couldn't or maybe he did, but we don't know for sure.


Hi mahendru1992,

I think you may have mis-read. The fact was that he ran AT LEAST 10 miles. If he ran at least 10 miles, do we know that he ran at least 1? Of course. See the distinction?
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Hi mahendru1992,

I think you may have mis-read. The fact was that he ran AT LEAST 10 miles. If he ran at least 10 miles, do we know that he ran at least 1? Of course. See the distinction?

Hi, sorry for troubling you, but I don't get it.
Okay, so what you mean is that if in the short term we know that the cheetah population wouldn't survive, then it's obvious that we know that the population wouldn't survive today per se. Am I right?
But what I'm trying to say is that the argument says that today we know that the population wouldn't survive a natural disaster but we don't know anything about the future, even if it's a short one. I mean what if some restoration process occurs which helps in increasing the population or what if they bring other cheetahs from other countries or reserves. This doesn't make sense for a short term, but i'm sure there are other 'what ifs' that do qualify. Don't you think we're assuming too much?
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No trouble at all. Let's lay out all of the facts once more, and you'll see how this goes beyond JUST the present moment:

Previous estimates of the cheetah to survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands region were too small. That means we know the number needs to be bigger.
The current population barely meets the previous estimates. That means that the current population is WAY below what it needs to survive if it doesn't meet the previous estimates which were already too low.
At present, there is not enough African grassland to support a wild cheetah population larger than the current population. This tells us that there is not even enough grassland to support a population any bigger than it is today.

Given those facts, is there any way the wild cheetah could survive a natural disaster of the short-term (say the next few months, maybe even a year?). No way. That's why D has to be right.

I think that the source of your doubt has to do with your definition of short-term. If you were thinking of it as something on the order of say 2-5 years, then, you're right, we can't infer that.
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Wild cheetahs live in the African grasslands. Previous estimates of the size that the wild cheetah population must be in order for these animals to survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands region were too small, and the current population barely meets the previous estimates, At present, however, there is not enough African grassland to support a wild cheetah population larger than the current population.

The statements above, if true, most strongly support which one of the following conclusions?

(A) Previous estimates of the size of the existing wild cheetah population were inaccurate.
(B) The cheetah's natural habitat is decreasing in size at a faster rate than is the size of the wild cheetah population.
(C) The principal threat to the endangered wild cheetah population is neither pollution nor hunting, but a natural disaster.
(D) In the short term, the wild cheetah population will be incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the African grasslands.
(E) In regions where land is suitable for cheetah habitation, more natural disasters are expected to occur during the next decade than occurred during the past decade.



While I understand what this question is trying to say, and I answered it correctly, I think this is a poor question. Is it really true that the population would be INCAPABLE of surviving a natural disaster? Even if there is a .000001% chance of the population surviving, it still isn't incapable of surviving. Absolute language on CR questions is usually a major indicator that an answer choice is wrong. I think D would be a lot better stated, and more accurate, if it said "In the short term, the wild cheetah population would probably not survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands."
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Wild cheetahs live in the African grasslands. Previous estimates of the size that the wild cheetah population must be in order for these animals to survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands region were too small, and the current population barely meets the previous estimates, At present, however, there is not enough African grassland to support a wild cheetah population larger than the current population.

The statements above, if true, most strongly support which one of the following conclusions?

(A) Previous estimates of the size of the existing wild cheetah population were inaccurate.
(B) The cheetah's natural habitat is decreasing in size at a faster rate than is the size of the wild cheetah population.
(C) The principal threat to the endangered wild cheetah population is neither pollution nor hunting, but a natural disaster.
(D) In the short term, the wild cheetah population will be incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the African grasslands.
(E) In regions where land is suitable for cheetah habitation, more natural disasters are expected to occur during the next decade than occurred during the past decade.



While I understand what this question is trying to say, and I answered it correctly, I think this is a poor question. Is it really true that the population would be INCAPABLE of surviving a natural disaster? Even if there is a .000001% chance of the population surviving, it still isn't incapable of surviving. Absolute language on CR questions is usually a major indicator that an answer choice is wrong. I think D would be a lot better stated, and more accurate, if it said "In the short term, the wild cheetah population would probably not survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands."


You are correct that the answer for these "draw a conclusion" questions will often be weak or trivial, but that is not a requirement. The real standard is to stay close to the precise wording of the argument and avoid answer choices that are STRONGER than the premises of the argument.

If you look at the premises here, you will find very strong language throughout: "size...must be...to survive", "too small", "not enough". These are very definitive statements and the answer choice isn't stronger than those premises.

That said, I agree that on the GMAT you would probably see a bit softer language, similar to what you have suggested. A good example of this is #103 - the Patria trade embargo question. The correct answer states: "Any trade embargo against Patria would be likely to fail at some time." Instead of absolute language like "will fail" the GMAT used "would be likely to fail".

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Is my reasoning faulty? The estimated population size for wild cheetah to survive natural disaster was small. And current population is below the estimate, and African grassland cannot sustain even that.
First. Congrats all the existing wild cheetahs. This is great news for you. Earlier you had your competition. Now you are few and free. Whoa!
However, what is the African Grassland has to do with that? May be to accommodate the Cheetahs. Wait! So do you mean that earlier the African Grassland was able to accommodate the estimated population, and now the current population is even low, and the Grassland is not even able to support that.
Therefore, the grassland must be shrinking, that too at a faster rate.

D says natural disaster in the short term. However, what has the natural disaster to do with the size of grassland? Why was natural disaster mentioned in the first place?
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Is my reasoning faulty? The estimated population size for wild cheetah to survive natural disaster was small. And current population is below the estimate, and African grassland cannot sustain even that.
First. Congrats all the existing wild cheetahs. This is great news for you. Earlier you had your competition. Now you are few and free. Whoa!
However, what is the African Grassland has to do with that? May be to accommodate the Cheetahs. Wait! So do you mean that earlier the African Grassland was able to accommodate the estimated population, and now the current population is even low, and the Grassland is not even able to support that.
Therefore, the grassland must be shrinking, that too at a faster rate.

D says natural disaster in the short term. However, what has the natural disaster to do with the size of grassland? Why was natural disaster mentioned in the first place?


I think you haven't understood the argument properly.

Wild cheetahs live in the African grasslands. Previous estimates of the size that the wild cheetah population must be in order for these animals to survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands region were too small,

The previous estimates were too small. That means they were not accurate. The actual value of "the actual size that the wild cheetah population must be in order for these animals to survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands region" should be greater.

and the current population barely meets the previous estimates,

The current population is less than the pervious estimates.

At present, however, there is not enough African grassland to support a wild cheetah population larger than the current population.
But the grassland can support only current population, not larger.

So what will happen if there is a natural disaster in the near future?

The cheetah population is much less than that required to survive a natural disaster. So it will probably not survive.
Hence answer is (D)

What is the relevance of "short term"? We can't say the same thing about long term (because the cheetah population might grow).
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(A) Previous estimates of the size of the existing wild cheetah population were inaccurate.estimates were of wild cheetah popn. required to survive a natural disaster not of the actual existing popn.

(B) The cheetah’s natural habitat is decreasing in size at a faster rate than is the size of the wild cheetah population.We don't know of the comparative rates but only that both these rates are falling

(C) The principal threat to the endangered wild cheetah population is neither pollution nor hunting, but a natural disaster.Whether natural disaster is a principal threat or not is not mentioned or pointed out in the stimulus

(D) In the short term, the wild cheetah population will be incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the African grasslands.Since we know that at present wild cheetah popn. barely meets our estimate of min. popn. required to survive the natural disaster, so in case of such a happening now as per stimulus we can conclude that they won't be able to survive

(E) In regions where land is suitable for cheetah habitation, more natural disasters are expected to occur during the next decade than occurred during the past decade.Nothing is mentioned in the stimulus in this regard
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Wild cheetahs live in the African grasslands. Previous estimates of the size that the wild cheetah population must be in order for these animals to survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands region were too small, and the current population barely meets the previous estimates. At present, however, there is not enough African grassland to support a wild cheetah population larger than the current population.

The statements above, if true, most strongly support which one of the following conclusions?


(A) Previous estimates of the size of the existing wild cheetah population were inaccurate.

(B) The cheetah’s natural habitat is decreasing in size at a faster rate than is the size of the wild cheetah population.

(C) The principal threat to the endangered wild cheetah population is neither pollution nor hunting, but a natural disaster.

(D) In the short term, the wild cheetah population will be incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the African grasslands.

(E) In regions where land is suitable for cheetah habitation, more natural disasters are expected to occur during the next decade than occurred during the past decade.


- Previous estimates of the size that the wild cheetah population were too small
- Current population barely meets the previous estimates.
- At present, there is not enough African grassland to support a wild cheetah population larger than the current population.

CONCLUSION: (D) In the short term, the wild cheetah population will be incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the African grasslands.

Answer D.
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