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sevenplusplus wrote:
(1) -3<x<5
(2) -7<y<9

I made a mistake and subtracted (1) from (2) (since signs are similar in two statements) giving
-4 < (y-x) < 4

I agree with the OE but can someone explain if the above allowed and if yes what information does it convey?



No, it is wrong and you can simply test it with numbers..

(1) -3<x<5 ......let x be the lowest possible -2.99999
(2) -7<y<9 ...... let y be the MAX, so 8.99999
y-x = 8.99999-(-2.99999) = 10 and 10 is not in the range -4<y-x<4

you can ofcourse ADD the equations..

(1) -3<x<5
(2) -7<y<9
so -3+(-7)<x+y<5+9......-10<x+y<14

so to sum it all
1) if you are adding, take highest values and add them and for lower range add lowest values and add them
2) If you are subtracting, take highest of one and lowest of other
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If \(-3 \lt x \lt 5\) and \(-7 \lt y \lt 9\), which of the following represents the range of all possible values of \(y-x\)?

A. \(-4 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
B. \(-2 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
C. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
D. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\)
E. \(4 \lt y-x \lt 12\)


To get max value of \(y-x\) take max value of \(y\) and min value of \(x\): \(9-(-3)=12\);

To get min value of \(y-x\) take min value of \(y\) and max value of \(x\): \(-7-(5)=-12\);

Hence, the range of all possible values of \(y-x\) is \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\).


Answer: D


This question is good but it would be interesting to see a question with the same guidelines as to find the range of values but with the variables x/y or both with inclusive numbers like -3<=x<5 and -7<y<=9.

Also if possible, kindly suggest similar problems.
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Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:

If \(-3 \lt x \lt 5\) and \(-7 \lt y \lt 9\), which of the following represents the range of all possible values of \(y-x\)?

A. \(-4 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
B. \(-2 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
C. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
D. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\)
E. \(4 \lt y-x \lt 12\)


To get max value of \(y-x\) take max value of \(y\) and min value of \(x\): \(9-(-3)=12\);

To get min value of \(y-x\) take min value of \(y\) and max value of \(x\): \(-7-(5)=-12\);

Hence, the range of all possible values of \(y-x\) is \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\).


Answer: D


This question is good but it would be interesting to see a question with the same guidelines as to find the range of values but with the variables x/y or both with inclusive numbers like -3<=x<5 and -7<y<=9.

Also if possible, kindly suggest similar problems.


Here is a similar questions with equal signs: if-2-x-2-and-3-y-8-which-of-the-following-represents-the-73539.html
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If \(-3 < x < 5\) and \(-7 < y < 9\), which of the following represents the range of all possible values of \(y-x\)?

A. \(-4 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
B. \(-2 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
C. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
D. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\)
E. \(4 \lt y-x \lt 12\)


As we can subtract inequalities with signs in different directions, I just rearranged \(-7 < y < 9\) to \(9 > y >-7\), and then subtracted \(-3 < x < 5\) from it, and got \( 9 - (-3) > y - x > -7 - 5\). Bunuel, is this a valid approach?
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(1) -3<x<5
(2) -7<y<9

I made a mistake and subtracted (1) from (2) (since signs are similar in two statements) giving
-4 < (y-x) < 4

I agree with the OE but can someone explain if the above allowed and if yes what information does it convey?
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I have edited the question and the solution by adding more details to enhance its clarity. I hope it is now easier to understand.
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I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation.
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Official Solution:

If \(-3 < x < 5\) and \(-7 < y < 9\), which of the following represents the range of all possible values of \(y-x\)?

A. \(-4 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
B. \(-2 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
C. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
D. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\)
E. \(4 \lt y-x \lt 12\)


To obtain the maximum value of \(y-x\), consider the maximum value of \(y\) and the minimum value of \(x\): \(9-(-3)=12\);

To obtain the minimum value of \(y-x\), consider the minimum value of \(y\) and the maximum value of \(x\): \(-7-(5)=-12\);

Therefore, the range of all possible values of \(y-x\) lies between \(-12\) and \(12\): \(-12 < y-x < 12\).

Alternatively, we can approach the problem in the following way. We know that \(-3 < x < 5\) and \(-7 < y < 9\).

Add \(y < 9\) to \(-3 < x\) to get \(y - 3 < 9 + x\), which can be rearranged as \(y - x < 12\). This gives the upper bound for the value of \(y-x\).

Add \(-7 < y\) to \(x < 5\) to get \(-7 + x < y + 5\), which can be rearranged as \(-12 < y - x\). This gives the lower bound for the value of \(y-x\).

Thus, we establish that \(-12 < y - x < 12\).


Answer: D





shouldn't the max value of y be 8 and min of y=-6 and max of x=4 and min of x=-2 since the question mentions < & > and not <= and >=???
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Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:

If \(-3 < x < 5\) and \(-7 < y < 9\), which of the following represents the range of all possible values of \(y-x\)?

A. \(-4 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
B. \(-2 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
C. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
D. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\)
E. \(4 \lt y-x \lt 12\)


To obtain the maximum value of \(y-x\), consider the maximum value of \(y\) and the minimum value of \(x\): \(9-(-3)=12\);

To obtain the minimum value of \(y-x\), consider the minimum value of \(y\) and the maximum value of \(x\): \(-7-(5)=-12\);

Therefore, the range of all possible values of \(y-x\) lies between \(-12\) and \(12\): \(-12 < y-x < 12\).

Alternatively, we can approach the problem in the following way. We know that \(-3 < x < 5\) and \(-7 < y < 9\).

Add \(y < 9\) to \(-3 < x\) to get \(y - 3 < 9 + x\), which can be rearranged as \(y - x < 12\). This gives the upper bound for the value of \(y-x\).

Add \(-7 < y\) to \(x < 5\) to get \(-7 + x < y + 5\), which can be rearranged as \(-12 < y - x\). This gives the lower bound for the value of \(y-x\).

Thus, we establish that \(-12 < y - x < 12\).


Answer: D





shouldn't the max value of y be 8 and min of y=-6 and max of x=4 and min of x=-2 since the question mentions < & > and not <= and >=???


We are not given that x and y are integers, so no. Therefore, the maximum value of \(y-x\) will be LESS than 12, and the minimum value of \(y-x\) will be MORE than -12. This can be represented as: \(-12 < y-x < 12\).
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Bunuel wrote:
If \(-3 < x < 5\) and \(-7 < y < 9\), which of the following represents the range of all possible values of \(y-x\)?

A. \(-4 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
B. \(-2 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
C. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 4\)
D. \(-12 \lt y-x \lt 12\)
E. \(4 \lt y-x \lt 12\)


As we can subtract inequalities with signs in different directions, I just rearranged \(-7 < y < 9\) to \(9 > y >-7\), and then subtracted \(-3 < x < 5\) from it, and got \( 9 - (-3) > y - x > -7 - 5\). Bunuel, is this a valid approach?

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