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GMATD11 wrote: 14) of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?
a) 25 b) 36 c) 38 d) 42 e) 45
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Now, since it is given that x+11 = 1.5 (84(24+11+x)) x = 25 So number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments = x+11 = 25+11 = 36
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This can be solved by using Double Matrix too, depends on what you're comfortable with. Please see the attached image. So 2.5x + 24 = 84 => 2.5x = 60 => x = 600/25 = 24 => 1.5x = 36 Answer  B
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neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x  11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B
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Baten80 wrote: neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x  11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B Why isn't the overlap substracted also from the parents who bring refreshments? When we are given 35 who volunteered to supervise, we substract the overlap (11), so total = 24; why isn't the final number of parents who voluntereed to refreshments = 1.5x  11 ? 84 = (3511) + (1.5x  11) + x ???



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ElDiablo wrote: Baten80 wrote: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments? A) 25 B) 36 C) 38 D) 42 E) 45
neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x  11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B Why isn't the overlap substracted also from the parents who bring refreshments? When we are given 35 who volunteered to supervise, we substract the overlap (11), so total = 24; why isn't the final number of parents who voluntereed to refreshments = 1.5x  11 ? 84 = (3511) + (1.5x  11) + x ??? Because parents who supervise (1.5x) consist of the parent who supervise AND bring refreshments (11) and of the parents who supervise but DO NOT bring refreshments (1.5x11). So if we subtract 11 ( the parent who supervise AND bring refreshments) we'll get the parents who supervise but DO NOT bring refreshments and no the total parents who supervise. Generally: {Total}={Supervise}+{Refreshments}{Both}+{Neither} (notice that we subtract {Both} since it's already included twice: once in {Supervise} and once in {Refreshments}); Given: 84=35+1.5x11+x > x=24 > 1.5x=36. Answer: B. Below matrix might help to understand the question better: Attachment:
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Notice that numbers in black are given and in red are calculated. We need the value of yellow box: 1.5x+(24+x)=84 > x=24 > 1.5x=36. Answer: B. Hope it's clear.
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SOLUTIONOf the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic. If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?(A) 25 (B) 36 (C) 38 (D) 42 (E) 45 Look at the matrix below: Notice that numbers in black are given and in red are calculated. We need the value of yellow box: \(1.5x+(24+x)=84\) > \(x=24\) > \(1.5x=36\). Answer: B. Attachment:
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Total = 84 who volunteered for picnic = 35 who volunteered for picnic & refr = 11 then who opt picnic but not refreshmnt = 24 the no. of parents who didnt volunteer for picnic and refesh = x the no. who volunteer for refreshmnt = 1.5 x
1.5x + 24 = 35 x= 24 1.5x = 36
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Quote: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic. If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?
(A) 25 (B) 36 (C) 38 (D) 42 (E) 45 Hi, Difficulty level: 600 let, number of parents who neither bring refreshment nor supervise = x Attachment:
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then, 3511+1.5x+x=84 x = 24 or Parents who bring refreshment = 1.5x = 36 Answer is (B) Regards,
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You can use a chart to help you solve this problem as taught in the MGMAT. = S stands for Supervise and ~S means not Supervise = R stands for Bring Refreshments and ~R means not Bring Refreshments So how to use the chart? = Place in the rightmost corner the total of parents which is 84. = We know that there are 35 who volunteered to Supervise but since we do not know whether they are R or ~R, we put 35 at the bottom of column S. = We know that there are 11 who are both S and R. So we placed 11 accordingly. = We know those who are R is 1.5 times of those who are ~R and ~S. So we use a variable x to denote that relationship. From the chart we can construct our equation clearly. 24 + x + 1.5X = 84 Solve for X. X = 24 We know R = 1.5X = 1.5(24) = 36 AnsweR: B
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summer101 wrote: The language used in these problems confuses me!! Example : 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic > Only supervise + supervise & bring refreshments However, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments > This ideally should mean: supervise & bring refreshments + Only bring refreshment. But sadly the answer choice has value which = only bring refreshment Any suggestions on how to go about? You need to actively look for the word 'only' in these questions. 35 volunteered to supervise children: Overall, 35 people volunteered to supervise. This includes people who volunteered to do both  supervise and bring refreshments 35 volunteered to only supervise children: Does not include people who volunteered to do both. How many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments? Overall, how many volunteered to bring refreshments  it will include people who volunteered to do both. There is no ambiguity here. How many of the parents volunteered to only bring refreshments? Now this is only refreshments. Reconsider the calculations done above.
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Refer diagram below We require to find x (Red shaded region) \(35 + x  11 + \frac{10x}{15} = 84\) x = 36 Answer = B
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kashishh wrote: Total = 84 who volunteered for picnic = 35 who volunteered for picnic & refr = 11 then who opt picnic but not refreshmnt = 24 the no. of parents who didnt volunteer for picnic and refesh = x the no. who volunteer for refreshmnt = 1.5 x
1.5x + 24 = 35 x= 24 1.5x = 36
Answer B Hi the no. who volunteer for refreshmnt = 1.5 x but no. who did refreshment but not picnic = 1.5x 11????? why we don't apply this step just like we did for picnic numbers??? Please explain... Thanks in advance



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GGMAT760 wrote: kashishh wrote: Total = 84 who volunteered for picnic = 35 who volunteered for picnic & refr = 11 then who opt picnic but not refreshmnt = 24 the no. of parents who didnt volunteer for picnic and refesh = x the no. who volunteer for refreshmnt = 1.5 x
1.5x + 24 = 35 x= 24 1.5x = 36
Answer B Hi the no. who volunteer for refreshmnt = 1.5 x but no. who did refreshment but not picnic = 1.5x 11????? why we don't apply this step just like we did for picnic numbers???Please explain... Thanks in advance Hope I got the question right 11 (who volunteered for picnic & refr) is common in both. So it has to be subtracted from ANY ONE
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I find the best way to do these types of problems is to create a table and fill in the information Refreshments No Refreshments Total Supervise 11 24 35 No supervise x Total 1.5x 84 I figured out the 24, by the fact that the number who volunteered to do both was 11 and the total number who volunteered to supervise children was 35, so the number who volunteered to only supervise children was 24. from this chart, we know that 841.5x=24+x Therefore, 60=2.5x and x equals 24 However, we are looking for the total number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments, which is 1.5x or 36 (B)
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This question is confusing me so if anyone could explain in detail I would really appreciate it. I don't understand why it isn't solved the same way as practice question 6... in that question you had Brand A + Brand B + both brands + neither brands = 200 and the answer was 15... on this question though, it is leaving out AND part (11) out of the results. Why isn't it 24 + 1.5x + 11 + × = 84?!?!



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danepenell wrote: This question is confusing me so if anyone could explain in detail I would really appreciate it. I don't understand why it isn't solved the same way as practice question 6... in that question you had Brand A + Brand B + both brands + neither brands = 200 and the answer was 15... on this question though, it is leaving out AND part (11) out of the results. Why isn't it 24 + 1.5x + 11 + × = 84?!?! Hi danepenell, The underlying concept behind both the questions is the same. However, there is slight change in the way the information has been provided. Let me explain with a venn diagram. In the questions with two overlapping sets a + b + c + d = Total no. of objects. In both the questions, the same concept has been used. However there is a difference between the way information has been provided. Let's see how. In this question let's assume group 1 = parents who volunteer to supervise children and group 2 =parents who bring refreshements The question gives us the value of no. of parents who volunteer to supervise children = 35. Please note that this includes parents who only supervise children as well as parents who supervise children and bring refreshments both. So, a + b = 35. Also, parents who volunteer to supervise children as well as bring refreshment = b = 11. So, we can write the value of a = 24. Since we are also told that no. of parents who volunteered to bring refreshment is 1.5 times the no. of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children nor bring refreshment, we can write b + c = 1.5d. Note here that parents who volunteered to bring refreshments include parents who only bring refreshments as well as parents who bring refreshments and supervise children both. Since a + b + c + d = Total number of parents = 84, we can write 24 + (b + c) + d = 84. Since b + c = 1.5d, 24 + 2.5d = 84 which gives us the value of d = 24 and hence b + c = 1.5*24 = 36. For every set question, please keep an eye on the use of word "Only". In this case the question asked the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments which also included parents who volunteered to supervise the children as well as bring refreshments. In practice question no. 6, note the use of word "Only". The question there uses the term extensively to segregate the users of the brands. For your reference, in Q6 we can write the value of a = 60, b = x, c = 3x and d = 80 assuming group 1 as users of brand A and group 2 as users of brand B. Hope its clear! Let me know if you still have trouble at any point of the explanation. Regards Harsh
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