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In my opinion the best strategy is to read the passage very carefully but at a constant pace. Trying to get the overall meaning for general questions. Fo rinferecnce or detailed question you can always look at specific portion of the passage.

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1. The author of the passage would be most likely to agree that the "caution" (line 29) urged by de Ricqlès regarding claims about dinosaur physiology was
(D) warranted, given certain subsequent findings of other scientists - Although de Ricqlès urged caution, arguing for an intermediate type of dinosaur physiology, a generation of paleontologists has come to believe that dinosaur bone is mammalianlike. In the 1980’s, however, Bakker’s contention began to be questioned, as a number of scientists found growth rings in the bones of various dinosaurs that are much like those in modern reptiles.

2. The primary purpose of the passage is to
(D) evaluate the claim that dinosaur bone tissue provides evidence for the warm-bloodedness of dinosaurs - This question remains unanswered; indeed, taking all the evidence into account, one cannot make a definitive statement about dinosaur physiology on the basis of dinosaur bone. It may be that dinosaurs had an intermediate pattern of bone structure because their physiology was neither typically reptilian, mammalian, nor avian.

3. According to the passage, the discovery of growth rings in the bones of certain dinosaurs served to undermine which of the following claims?
(C) That dinosaurs were warm-blooded - Bone growth in reptiles is periodic in nature, producing a series of concentric rings in the bone, not unlike the growth rings of a tree.

4. The author of the passage mentions bone growth patterns in juvenile crocodiles most likely in order to
(E) suggest that the presence of fibro-lamellar bone does not resolve the debate over dinosaur physiology - (Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.) This question remains unanswered; indeed, taking all the evidence into account, one cannot make a definitive statement about dinosaur physiology on the basis of dinosaur bone.
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Moderators, please add the following question to the passage

The passage suggests that, unlike Bakker, de Ricqlès believed which of the following about the highly vascularized, fibro-lamellar bone mentioned in the highlighted text?

It was a type of bone found only in a small group of dinosaurs.

It had characteristics that were inconsistent with a growth rate as rapid as that of mammals.

It did not provide sufficiently compelling evidence for warm-bloodedness in dinosaurs.

It was highly vascularized but not truly fibro-lamellar in nature.

It supported the claim that bone growth in dinosaurs was periodic in nature.
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HI SajjadAhmad, u1983, workout GMATNinjaTwo

Please add the below question into the passage :-) Tag : GMATPrep EP2

The passage suggests that, unlike Bakker, de Ricqlès believed which of the following about the highly vascularized, fibro-lamellar bone mentioned in the highlighted text?

1)It was a type of bone found only in a small group of dinosaurs.
2)It had characteristics that were inconsistent with a growth rate as rapid as that of mammals.
3)It did not provide sufficiently compelling evidence for warm-bloodedness in dinosaurs.
4)It was highly vascularized but not truly fibro-lamellar in nature.
5)It supported the claim that bone growth in dinosaurs was periodic in nature.

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I have a question concerning Q2

Why can't (A) be the answer...

(A) discuss the influence on other scientists of Bakker's argument concerning the warm-bloodedness of dinosaurs

As far as I'm concerned, the author focuses more on the second paragraph in which he/she brings out the possible falsehood of Bakker’s contention, and subsequently discusses and presents more scientists' discovery. And he/she finally reaches to the conclusion that whether the evidence of bone tissues can support the cold or warmness of dinosaur is unknown (perhaps falls between the two categories). So, basically, the author delivers his/her idea via "Bakker's argument" and the influence of Bakker's falsely contention.

There must be some mistake in my comprehension. Can anyone help me out? Big thanks!
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VeritasKarishma - Can you please explain relation of below statement in brackets with whole package ?

(Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental
conditions do.)

Also, please share your thoughts on how to consider and interpret statements that are kept in between brackets or hyphens in passages.

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PanpaliaAnshul wrote:
VeritasKarishma - Can you please explain relation of below statement in brackets with whole package ?

(Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental
conditions do.)

Also, please share your thoughts on how to consider and interpret statements that are kept in between brackets or hyphens in passages.

Thanks,
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Statements in brackets or hyphens are an aside to the topic at hand. They are related to it though a digression and hence they are put in brackets.
They may help you understand the context of what is being said a bit better, but are not a part of the immediate topic at hand.

Here, we are discussing dinosaur bones and what they tell us about their physiology.
The question raised is whether dinosaurs form fibro-lamellar bone because of an innately high metabolic rate associated with warm-bloodedness or because of periods of unusually fast growth that occurred under favorable environmental conditions? (Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.)

You might think that why is "periods of unusually fast growth that occurred under favorable environmental conditions" an option? So the author tells us as an aside that some reptiles do form fibro-lamellar bones periods of unusually fast growth that occurred under favorable environmental conditions. That is why this is a possible option.
Then he proceeds to answer the question.

Hence it doesn't break the flow but gives us some desirable information.
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Hi KarishmaB - for the 4th question - while i agree A through D are wrong - i thought 4E was wrong too

-- The presence of fibro-lamellar bones does resolve the debate over dinosaur physiology per my understanding - if dinosaurs have fibro-lamellar bones - dinosaurs were warm blooded

-- The question remain un-answered in the green is referring to the fact that the author CANNOT say, if the dinosaurs have fibro-lamellar bones or don't have fibro-lamellar bones to begin with

-- That is why the mordern repiles / juvenile crocodiles was mentioned by the author (mordern repiles DONT HAVE fibro-lamellar bone whereas juvenile crocodiles DO have fibro-lamellar bones) -- so both scenario's are possible

-- We just dont know if dinosaurs are like mordern repiles or like juvenile crocodiles.

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In the 1980’s, however, Bakker’s contention began to be questioned, as a number of scientists found growth rings in the bones of various dinosaurs that are much like those in modern reptiles. Bone growth in reptiles is periodic in nature, producing a series of concentric rings in the bone, not unlike the growth rings of a tree. Recently, Chinsamy investigated the bones of two dinosaurs from the early Jurassic period (208-187 million years ago), and found that these bones also had growth rings; however, they were also partially fibro-lamellar in nature. Chinsamy’s work raises a question central to the debate over dinosaur physiology: did dinosaurs form fibro-lamellar bone because of an innately high metabolic rate associated with warm-bloodedness or because of periods of unusually fast growth that occurred under favorable environmental conditions? (Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.) This question remains unanswered; indeed, taking all the evidence into account, one cannot make a definitive statement about dinosaur physiology on the basis of dinosaur bone. It may be that dinosaurs had an intermediate pattern of bone structure because their physiology was neither typically reptilian, mammalian, nor avian.

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Hi jabhatta2 -- I almost never answer RC questions, because it takes so much longer than answering DS, PS, SC or CR, so I hope you can direct your questions to someone who participates in the RC side of the forum.
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Hi KarishmaB - for the 4th question - while i agree A through D are wrong - i thought 4E was wrong too

-- The presence of fibro-lamellar bones does resolve the debate over dinosaur physiology per my understanding - if dinosaurs have fibro-lamellar bones - dinosaurs were warm blooded

-- The question remain un-answered in the green is referring to the fact that the author CANNOT say, if the dinosaurs have fibro-lamellar bones or don't have fibro-lamellar bones to begin with

-- That is why the mordern repiles / juvenile crocodiles was mentioned by the author (mordern repiles DONT HAVE fibro-lamellar bone whereas juvenile crocodiles DO have fibro-lamellar bones) -- so both scenario's are possible

-- We just dont know if dinosaurs are like mordern repiles or like juvenile crocodiles.

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In the 1980’s, however, Bakker’s contention began to be questioned, as a number of scientists found growth rings in the bones of various dinosaurs that are much like those in modern reptiles. Bone growth in reptiles is periodic in nature, producing a series of concentric rings in the bone, not unlike the growth rings of a tree. Recently, Chinsamy investigated the bones of two dinosaurs from the early Jurassic period (208-187 million years ago), and found that these bones also had growth rings; however, they were also partially fibro-lamellar in nature. Chinsamy’s work raises a question central to the debate over dinosaur physiology: did dinosaurs form fibro-lamellar bone because of an innately high metabolic rate associated with warm-bloodedness or because of periods of unusually fast growth that occurred under favorable environmental conditions? (Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.) This question remains unanswered; indeed, taking all the evidence into account, one cannot make a definitive statement about dinosaur physiology on the basis of dinosaur bone. It may be that dinosaurs had an intermediate pattern of bone structure because their physiology was neither typically reptilian, mammalian, nor avian.


The question tests your comprehension of all that you have read up to that point.

Were dinosaurs warm- or cold-blooded?

Warm bloodied grow quickly so they have haphazard bone filaments (fibro-lamellar) (birds & mammals). Dinosaurs have such bones.
Reptiles grow slowly so they have parallel laid bone filaments (reptiles). They are cold blooded.

But growth rings were found in dinosaur. Growth rings are found in reptiles showing periods of growth.
So scientists wondered whether fibro-lamellar bones were because of warm blooded dinosaurs or because of periods of high growth rate (in which case dinosaurs could have been cold blooded).

Now here is the question that came to my mind - reptiles have growth rings but they do not have fibro-lamellar bones. Then why should growth rings in dinosaurs explain fibro-lamellar bones? Growth rings (periods of high growth) does not lead to fibro-lamellar bones in reptiles. Then how can growth rings explain fibro-lamellar bones in dinosaurs?

This is what the author tried to explain by pointing out - (Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.)

He explains that periods of high growth (which give growth rings) could lead to formation of fibro-lamellar bones as they do in juvenile crocodiles. He says that is why growth rings could indicate that dinosaurs were cold bloodied.

So he mentions juvenile crocodiles to explain why the presence of fibro-lamellar bone does not resolve the debate over dinosaur physiology. Why we cannot say that dinosaurs must be warm bloodied. Because fibro-lamellar bones are found in juvenile crocodiles (cold blooded) raised under right conditions too.
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The question tests your comprehension of all that you have read up to that point.

Were dinosaurs warm- or cold-blooded?

Warm bloodied grow quickly so they have haphazard bone filaments (fibro-lamellar) (birds & mammals). Dinosaurs have such bones.
Reptiles grow slowly so they have parallel laid bone filaments (reptiles). They are cold blooded.

But growth rings were found in dinosaur. Growth rings are found in reptiles showing periods of growth.
So scientists wondered whether fibro-lamellar bones were because of warm blooded dinosaurs or because of periods of high growth rate (in which case dinosaurs could have been cold blooded).

Now here is the question that came to my mind - reptiles have growth rings but they do not have fibro-lamellar bones. Then why should growth rings in dinosaurs explain fibro-lamellar bones? Growth rings (periods of high growth) does not lead to fibro-lamellar bones in reptiles. Then how can growth rings explain fibro-lamellar bones in dinosaurs?

This is what the author tried to explain by pointing out - (Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.)

He explains that periods of high growth (which give growth rings) could lead to formation of fibro-lamellar bones as they do in juvenile crocodiles. He says that is why growth rings could indicate that dinosaurs were cold bloodied.

So he mentions juvenile crocodiles to explain why the presence of fibro-lamellar bone does not resolve the debate over dinosaur physiology. Why we cannot say that dinosaurs must be warm bloodied. Because fibro-lamellar bones are found in juvenile crocodiles (cold blooded) raised under right conditions too.


Hi KarishmaB - Per the yellow - you mention juvenile crocodiles are cold blooded

Where in the passage is it mentioned THAT juvenile crocodiles are cold blooded ?

Isn't that using outside knowledge ?

I dont think the RC Passage mentions juvenile crocodiles are cold blooded or warm blooded.

I see the RC passage mentions 'mordern reptiles' are cold blooded (but these mordern reptile DONT HAVE fibro-lamellar bone neither), so i dont think one can assume that juvenile crocodiles MUST BE cold blooded as well
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KarishmaB wrote:
The question tests your comprehension of all that you have read up to that point.

Were dinosaurs warm- or cold-blooded?

Warm bloodied grow quickly so they have haphazard bone filaments (fibro-lamellar) (birds & mammals). Dinosaurs have such bones.
Reptiles grow slowly so they have parallel laid bone filaments (reptiles). They are cold blooded.

But growth rings were found in dinosaur. Growth rings are found in reptiles showing periods of growth.
So scientists wondered whether fibro-lamellar bones were because of warm blooded dinosaurs or because of periods of high growth rate (in which case dinosaurs could have been cold blooded).

Now here is the question that came to my mind - reptiles have growth rings but they do not have fibro-lamellar bones. Then why should growth rings in dinosaurs explain fibro-lamellar bones? Growth rings (periods of high growth) does not lead to fibro-lamellar bones in reptiles. Then how can growth rings explain fibro-lamellar bones in dinosaurs?

This is what the author tried to explain by pointing out - (Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.)

He explains that periods of high growth (which give growth rings) could lead to formation of fibro-lamellar bones as they do in juvenile crocodiles. He says that is why growth rings could indicate that dinosaurs were cold bloodied.

So he mentions juvenile crocodiles to explain why the presence of fibro-lamellar bone does not resolve the debate over dinosaur physiology. Why we cannot say that dinosaurs must be warm bloodied. Because fibro-lamellar bones are found in juvenile crocodiles (cold blooded) raised under right conditions too.


Hi KarishmaB - Per the yellow - you mention juvenile crocodiles are cold blooded

Where in the passage is it mentioned THAT juvenile crocodiles are cold blooded ?

Isn't that using outside knowledge ?

I dont think the RC Passage mentions juvenile crocodiles are cold blooded or warm blooded.

I see the RC passage mentions 'mordern reptiles' are cold blooded (but these mordern reptile DONT HAVE fibro-lamellar bone neither), so i dont think one can assume that juvenile crocodiles MUST BE cold blooded as well



We are given: Although modern reptiles generally do not form fibro-lamellar bone, juvenile crocodiles raised under optimal environmental conditions do.

The contrast shows that juvenile crocodiles belong to the group "modern reptiles". Modern reptiles are cold bloodied. We know that crocodiles are reptiles and juvenile crocodiles are just young crocodiles. If crocodiles are cold bloodied, young crocodiles are automatically cold bloodied. An animal cannot change its basic physiology as it grows up.

There is no outside knowledge used here. As you mentioned, no other option makes any sense either. Answers will not be given in the passage in black and white. You will need to derive them from various data bits given all over.
Also note that this is a GMAT Prep question. GMAT expects you to derive these implications.
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