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A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P? A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these.
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DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. hi.. what will be the SUM of digits in each.. in each position, each of 3,4,6,7 will stay for 3! ways...WHY?say 3 is in units digit... how many such number are possible..thousands digit.. any of 3 humdreds digit.. any of remaining 2 tens digit remaining one units digit.. digit 3so \(3*2*1=3!=6\).. so SUM is \(6*(3+4+6+7)=120..\) so number = 120*thousand+120*hundred+120*ten+120*one=120*1000+120*100+120*10+120*1=133320 D
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DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. least value=3,467 greatest value=7,643 3,467+7,643=11,110 11,110/2=5,555 4*6*5,555=133,320 D



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31 Jul 2017, 22:38
chetan2u wrote: DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. hi.. what will be the SUM of digits in each.. in each position, each of 3,4,6,7 will stay for 3! ways...WHY? [highlight]say 3 is in units digit... how many such number are possible..thousands digit.. any of 3 humdreds digit.. any of remaining 2 tens digit remaining one units digit.. digit 3[/highlight] so \(3*2*1=3!=6\).. so SUM is \(6*(3+4+6+7)=120..\) so number = 120*thousand+120*hundred+120*ten+120*one=120*1000+120*100+120*10+120*1=133320 D Hi chetan2u: Can you please elaborate the highlighted part.Thank you



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gracie wrote: DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. least value=3,467 greatest value=7,643 3,467+7,643=11,110 11,110/2=5,555 4*6*5,555=133,320 D 4*6*5,555=133,320 How do you come to the conclusion on the multiplication factors 4*6



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DH99 wrote: chetan2u wrote: DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. hi.. what will be the SUM of digits in each.. in each position, each of 3,4,6,7 will stay for 3! ways...WHY? [highlight]say 3 is in units digit... how many such number are possible..thousands digit.. any of 3 humdreds digit.. any of remaining 2 tens digit remaining one units digit.. digit 3[/highlight] so \(3*2*1=3!=6\).. so SUM is \(6*(3+4+6+7)=120..\) so number = 120*thousand+120*hundred+120*ten+120*one=120*1000+120*100+120*10+120*1=133320 D Hi chetan2u: Can you please elaborate the highlighted part.Thank you Why? it is part of combinatorics. You have 3 digits (after one of 3,4, 6,7 is chosen) and all possible combinations for these digits in one number is 3!.



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FB2017 wrote: gracie wrote: DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. least value=3,467 greatest value=7,643 3,467+7,643=11,110 11,110/2=5,555 4*6*5,555=133,320 D 4*6*5,555=133,320 How do you come to the conclusion on the multiplication factors 4*6 hi FB2017, I put 3 in the first position and counted 6 possible arrangements for 4,6,7. hence, 4*6 I hope this helps gracie



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gracie wrote: hi FB2017, I put 3 in the first position and counted 6 possible arrangements for 4,6,7. hence, 4*6 I hope this helps gracie Dear Gracie, I understand why you time 6 but I don't understand why you time 4? Thank you very much



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07 Aug 2017, 03:13
each number will be represented 6 times (for the unit, tenth , hundred etc..)
Sum of unit Digit: 6 (7+6+4+3)=120 Sum of tenth Digit: 6 (7+6+4+3)=120 Sum of hundred Digit: 6 (7+6+4+3)=120 ...
..120000 +..12000 +....1200 +......120  ...133320



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pclawong wrote: gracie wrote: hi FB2017, I put 3 in the first position and counted 6 possible arrangements for 4,6,7. hence, 4*6 I hope this helps gracie Dear Gracie, I understand why you time 6 but I don't understand why you time 4? Thank you very much hi pclawong, I multiplied by 4 because there are 4 digits, each giving 6 possible arrangements of the other 3 I hope this helps gracie



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hey gracie, why did you divide 11110/2?



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aspreneur wrote: hey gracie, why did you divide 11110/2? hi aspreneur, to find the arithmetic mean of the the lowest and highest value combinations, to multiply it by the number of possible combinations I hope this helps gracie



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DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. Here is a formula: (n1)!*(Sum of n digits)*(1111...n times) Thus, in this case: n = 4, Sum of 4 digits = 20; therefore Total Sum = 3!*20*1111 which is equal to 133320



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Total possible numbers are 4!=24 Each of the 4 digits repeat 6 times in units, tens, hundreds and thousands place: (3333 + 4444 + 6666 + 7777) * 6 = 1111 (3 + 4 + 6 + 7) * 6 = 1111 (20) * 6 = 22220 * 6 = 133320 (Ans D)
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Yogesh_24 wrote: DH99 wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. Here is a formula: (n1)!*(Sum of n digits)*(1111...n times) Thus, in this case: n = 4, Sum of 4 digits = 20; therefore Total Sum = 3!*20*1111 which is equal to 133320 Here is the derivation of the formula: Total possible numbers are 4!=24 Each of the 4 digits repeat 6 times in units, tens, hundreds and thousands place: (3333 + 4444 + 6666 + 7777) * 6 = 1111 * (3 + 4 + 6 + 7) * 6 = 1111 * (20) * 6 [your formula: (n1)!*(Sum of n digits)*(1111...n times) where n = 4, Sum of 4 digits = 20] = 22220 * 6 = 133320 (Ans D)
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DHAR wrote: A four digit number using the digits 3,4,6 and 7 without repetition is formed.All the possible numbers so formed are added and the sum is equal to P, which of the following is the value of P?
A.133200 B.123320 C.133220 D.133320 E.None of these. If all possible n digit numbers using n distinct nonzero digits are formed, sum of all the numbers so formed =(n−1)! × (sum of the all the digits in numbers ) × (111 ... n times). It is a 4 digit number . n =4 Just substitute the value. = (41)! * (3+4+6+7) * (1111) = 3! * 20 * 1111 = 6*20*1111 = 133320. Answer D
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