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288. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself
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288. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself


(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged -- Correct Staged is in past tense..
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it -- Staging ..? wrong tense.
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself -- Besides means in addition to ..distorts meaning.
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged -- Excepting ..awkward..
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself -- passive and wordy..
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agree with A here,

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it -- staging it in 1911? past...
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself -- being staged...ruled this one out for using being...sound awkward
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged -- Excepting..sound awkward
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself -- passive not as good as A
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288. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

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The OG explains that "Excepting" in D usually appears in negative constructions; it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

Could anybody give me one example that uses "excepting" correctly?

I googled and looked up my dictionary, but I couldn't find good examples.
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noboru wrote:
288. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(No Issues)
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
("Staging" states a present continuous tense when we know it is a past event as stated "in 1911". Furthermore, the expression "with the..... it" is a wordy when a clear concise expression in the originalis present.)
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
("Besides"means "In addition to", it changes meaning of the sentence as the sentence states that "Except for X,Y was not produced untill".
Secondly, "being" implies continuous tense where in it implies that the performance is currently being staged when the intended meaning is in PAST.
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged
Composer Himself => Wordy/in concise
Better: Composer staged
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself
staging=> present continuous when the intended meaning is in PAST.
with the staging => wordy




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noboru wrote:
288. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself



B) "with the" and "staging it" sounds weird and wrong. B out
C) Im not sure, but I think it might be wrong to start a sentence with "besides", also "being" sounds weird. But we keep it as a contender
D) Excepting is the wrong word. We're not excepting anything.
E) "with the staging" sounds weird, and the whole sentence is inefficient anyways. "with the exception of" should simply be "except for"

A and C are left: Starting a sentence with "except for" sounds right, whereas "besides" makes it seem that we want to say "on the side of". Besides simply distorts the intended meaning. We do not want to say what happened in contrast to the staged event, we want to say that the staged event was a one off occasion that was never repeated again. Also "that the composer staged" sounds much better than "being staged by the composer". Therefore, C gone and we pick A.
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The OE for this question(for option D) says that:

"Excepting usually appears in negative constructions; it is not the correct idiom in this sentence."

Could someone please explain in which scenarios "Excepting" could or could not be used?
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B IS WRONG MAINLY BECAUSE THE WORD "STAGING" MEANS THAT IT IS STILL HAPPENING, PRESENT CONTINUOUS TENSE. IN ADDITION B IS WORDY AT "WITH THE…IT".

C IS WRONG BECAUSE THE WORD "BESIDES" CHANGES THE MEANING OF THE SENTENCE. BESIDES MEANS "IN ADDITION TO".

D IS WRONG BECAUSE WORD "EXCEPTING" IS AWKWARD AND WEIRD, BOOOO.

E IS WRONG BECAUSE "STAGING" IS A PRESENT CONTINUOUS IMPLYING THIS ACTION IS STILL HAPPENING WHEN WE KNOW THIS EVENT TOOK PLACE A VERY LONG TIME AGO.
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akirah wrote:
The OE for this question(for option D) says that:

"Excepting usually appears in negative constructions; it is not the correct idiom in this sentence."

Could someone please explain in which scenarios "Excepting" could or could not be used?


Consider the statement, "Excepting a broken window, the car was in excellent condition". Excepting stands for "Except for" so no problem grammatically. The problem here is in the meaning.

"Excepting" the tone is negative, Except for something bad, rest all is good. So Excepting defines not an exception but something negative. Hence here it is wrong.

Excepting a bad performance by the male lead, the opera was good. This should, in my opinion a good usage of Excepting.
Excepting shows contrast. It's like saying Apart from that rotten apple, all else awesome. rotten v/s awesome.
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Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

Issue: Meaning | Verb Form

Analysis:
1. The sentence is intends to say that "the performance that the composer staged in 1911" was the only one except "Treemonisha" production in 1972.

I have highlighted the issues in option below:

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
- Incorrect verb tense
- also "it" is redundant as it is used to refer to performance in the same clause


(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
- use of "besides" changes the meaning
- "being staged" is not parallel to the underlined portion of the sentence. (little less certain about this one; will appreciate if someone can confirm)

(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged
- incorrect form of the word

(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself
- bad construction

Answer: (A)
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Hi Anox,

I am no expert but here are my 2 cents about your query:

(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
- use of "besides" changes the meaning
- "being staged" is not parallel to the underlined portion of the sentence. (little less certain about this one; will appreciate if someone can confirm)


The problem with "being staged" is not so much to do with parallelism (no parallelism is at play if you ask me!) , but with the meaning. The use of "being staged" implies an ongoing action, whereas the prompt clearly states that the action was completed in the past (in 1911). Hence using "being staged" distorts the meaning.

I hope this helps!

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Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

Issue: Meaning | Verb Form

Analysis:
1. The sentence is intends to say that "the performance that the composer staged in 1911" was the only one except "Treemonisha" production in 1972.

I have highlighted the issues in option below:

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
- Incorrect verb tense
- also "it" is redundant as it is used to refer to performance in the same clause


(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
- use of "besides" changes the meaning
- "being staged" is not parallel to the underlined portion of the sentence. (little less certain about this one; will appreciate if someone can confirm)

(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged
- incorrect form of the word

(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself
- bad construction

Answer: (A)
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eybrj2 wrote:
The OG explains that "Excepting" in D usually appears in negative constructions; it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

Could anybody give me one example that uses "excepting" correctly?

I googled and looked up my dictionary, but I couldn't find good examples.


https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dicti ... /excepting
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arpitgarg wrote:
akirah wrote:
The OE for this question(for option D) says that:

"Excepting usually appears in negative constructions; it is not the correct idiom in this sentence."

Could someone please explain in which scenarios "Excepting" could or could not be used?


Consider the statement, "Excepting a broken window, the car was in excellent condition". Excepting stands for "Except for" so no problem grammatically. The problem here is in the meaning.

"Excepting" the tone is negative, Except for something bad, rest all is good. So Excepting defines not an exception but something negative. Hence here it is wrong.

Excepting a bad performance by the male lead, the opera was good. This should, in my opinion a good usage of Excepting.
Excepting shows contrast. It's like saying Apart from that rotten apple, all else awesome. rotten v/s awesome.



https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dicti ... /excepting
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