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I just couldn't convince myself that so sweeping was correct...that sounds terrible.
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I just couldn't convince myself that so sweeping was correct...that sounds terrible.
Dear skiingforthewknds,
With all due respect, this is why it's vitally important to do high-brow reading in preparation for the GMAT. If your ear is tuned, say, to the level of grammar present in most modern media, then you are completely set up to make a sizable number of errors on the GMAT SC simply by following your ear, and many fully correct grammatical structures will sound "wrong" as well. It's very important to "re-train" your ear in correct grammar ---- the GMAT SC is designed to excoriate folks who uncritically trust what they hear in colloquial English.
Does this make sense?
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I just couldn't convince myself that so sweeping was correct...that sounds terrible.

Great question!

....so sweeping.... sounds terrible for me as well (however, i'm not a native speaker, so could be wrong).
Mike, thanks for your advice re high-brow reading!

But I guess the author of this question realised this and intentionally pasted 5 different options to the second part of the sentence (correspondence with / correspondence to etc).
And four out of these five could be rather easily eliminated. So, in my opinion, this question could be answered even w/o analysing the first construction
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Got the right answer but confused by the usage of the word correspond. What does this sentence mean anyway Mike ?
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Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.
(A) such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to
(B) such a sweeping command in World War I that no single WWII general would be a correspondence with
(C) so sweeping a command in World War I as no single WWII general would be corresponding to
(D) so sweeping a command in World War I that no single WWII general corresponds to
(E) such a sweeping command in World War I because no single WWII general corresponds with


In this sentence about Blackjack Pershing, the same root word appears in noun & verb forms (correspondence, corresponds, corresponding). For a full discussion of this frequent SC issue, as well as a complete explanation of the sentence above, see:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/active-verbs-on-the-gmat/

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pls, confirm my idea following
A. to talk of result the idiom is "such ... that" . this is not idiom
B. after "such... that" we can not use "would". PLS ADVISE WHAT TENSE WE USE IN SUCH.. THAT CLAUSE.
C. "so...that" is idiom. this is not idiom
E, the causal relation is not correct inhere
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Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.
(A) such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to
(B) such a sweeping command in World War I that no single WWII general would be a correspondence with
(C) so sweeping a command in World War I as no single WWII general would be corresponding to
(D) so sweeping a command in World War I that no single WWII general corresponds to
(E) such a sweeping command in World War I because no single WWII general corresponds with


In this sentence about Blackjack Pershing, the same root word appears in noun & verb forms (correspondence, corresponds, corresponding). For a full discussion of this frequent SC issue, as well as a complete explanation of the sentence above, see:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/active-verbs-on-the-gmat/

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pls, confirm my idea following
A. to talk of result the idiom is "such ... that" . this is not idiom
B. after "such... that" we can not use "would". PLS ADVISE WHAT TENSE WE USE IN SUCH.. THAT CLAUSE.
C. "so...that" is idiom. this is not idiom
E, the causal relation is not correct inhere
Dear vietmoi999,
I'm happy to respond. :-) On (A) & (C) & (E), you are 100% correct. In (B), there is no rule about a "that" clause and verb tense --- we simply have to use the verb tense relevant to the situation. If we were talking hypothetically, say about a future war, then we might use "would." WWII was a long time ago, and all the achievements of those generals is well known at this point. There is absolutely nothing hypothetical, speculative, or ambiguous about what those folks accomplished. That's why "would" is wrong. Here, we are taking about a correspondence, a pattern of matching, and this pattern is something we are perceiving in the present moment, so the present tense --- "does correspond" or simply "corresponds" is perfectly correct.

Does all this make sense?
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I just couldn't convince myself that so sweeping was correct...that sounds terrible.
Dear skiingforthewknds,
With all due respect, this is why it's vitally important to do high-brow reading in preparation for the GMAT. If your ear is tuned, say, to the level of grammar present in most modern media, then you are completely set up to make a sizable number of errors on the GMAT SC simply by following your ear, and many fully correct grammatical structures will sound "wrong" as well. It's very important to "re-train" your ear in correct grammar ---- the GMAT SC is designed to excoriate folks who uncritically trust what they hear in colloquial English.
Does this make sense?
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Going by grammar
Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.

since had is there therefore we want a past action in any other part of sentence
also I have read that with present=will and with past=would

I didnt find any past tense in all 5 sentences so went with B because it atleast used would.

Mike Please acknowledge
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Going by grammar
Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.

since had is there therefore we want a past action in any other part of sentence
also I have read that with present=will and with past=would

I didnt find any past tense in all 5 sentences so went with B because it atleast used would.

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I'm happy to respond. :-)

Unfortunately, (B) is not the correct answer. It is grammatically correct, but it has logical and rhetorical issues. Folks often mistakenly think that the GMAT SC is a solely a test of grammar. In fact, grammar and logic and rhetoric are three equally important strands, and on official questions, many incorrect answer are 100% grammatically correct but have logical or rhetorical issues.

Verb tense is not a particularly good indicator in this instance. You see, the actions of these generals were all in the past, but the logical pattern, the correspondence, is something that still exists today. For example, we can say, "Ataturk corresponds to George Washington in the primary significance he has for the country he founded." The two men, Ataturk and Washington, are long dead, but the significance they have for their respective countries and the logical relationship between them is one that still exists.

When we say, "P corresponds to Q," we are saying that there a logical pattern of matching that joins them. It is 100% incorrect to say, "P is a correspondence to Q," because then we are identifying the person P with the abstract logical pattern of matching. This is the problem with choice (B) in this question. We are saying no general, no human being, is a correspondence, an abstract pattern of matching. This is illogical and it sounds awkward.

The best answer here is (D). Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Mike :-)
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Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.
(A) such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to
(B) such a sweeping command in World War I that no single WWII general would be a correspondence with
(C) so sweeping a command in World War I as no single WWII general would be corresponding to
(D) so sweeping a command in World War I that no single WWII general corresponds to
(E) such a sweeping command in World War I because no single WWII general corresponds with


In this sentence about Blackjack Pershing, the same root word appears in noun & verb forms (correspondence, corresponds, corresponding). For a full discussion of this frequent SC issue, as well as a complete explanation of the sentence above, see:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/active-verbs-on-the-gmat/

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Hi Mike,

Although I was able to solve the sentence correctly, I'd like your support to understand a construction appeared in choice D.

Regardless of construction 'SO/Such X that Y', I do not understand the construction 'sweeping a command'. Usually the construction is 'a + adjective+ noun' but in Choice D, it is 'adjective+ a + noun'. When is the latter construction is correct?


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Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.
(A) such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to
(B) such a sweeping command in World War I that no single WWII general would be a correspondence with
(C) so sweeping a command in World War I as no single WWII general would be corresponding to
(D) so sweeping a command in World War I that no single WWII general corresponds to
(E) such a sweeping command in World War I because no single WWII general corresponds with


In this sentence about Blackjack Pershing, the same root word appears in noun & verb forms (correspondence, corresponds, corresponding). For a full discussion of this frequent SC issue, as well as a complete explanation of the sentence above, see:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/active-verbs-on-the-gmat/

Mike :-)

Hi Mike,

Although I was able to solve the sentence correctly, I'd like your support to understand a construction appeared in choice D.

Regardless of construction 'SO/Such X that Y', I do not understand the construction 'sweeping a command'. Usually the construction is 'a + adjective+ noun' but in Choice D, it is 'adjective+ a + noun'. When is the latter construction is correct?


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Dear Mo2men,
My friend, I'm happy to respond. :-)

The core grammatical structure here is so [adjective] that . . . The clause following the "that" is a consequence of the degree of the adjective. See:
GMAT Idioms: Cause and Consequence
Examples
...so intelligent that she completed a Ph.D. at the age of 19.
...so hungry that he ate an entire baked chicken.
...so distant that light reflected from it takes 20 minutes to arrive.


That's the core structure. Now, suppose this adjective, the very one that is raised to an extreme degree by the word "so," modifies a noun. Idiomatically, it is crucial that the adjective touch the word "so." Normally, as you point out, an article would come before an adjective, but here, the requirements of the idiom take over. The word "so" must touch the adjective: as a consequence, we wind up with the somewhat unusual structure:
so [adjective] a/an [noun] that . . .
Examples:
Theodore Roosevelt was so dynamic a politician that . . .
Kazakhstan is so large a country that . . .
Algebraic topology is so abstruse a topic that . . .


In fact, that noun could be modified by a noun-modifying phrase or clause, and this would put significant distance between the opening "so" and the closing "that" of the idiom.
Beethoven was so popular a concert pianist in Vienna in the 1790s that . . .
The electron is so small a particle, even compared to the other subatomic particles, that . . .


This is the structure used in this sentence: "so sweeping a command in World War I that ..." It is relatively uncommon in colloquial English and appears more frequently in sophisticated writing.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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My friend, I'm happy to respond. :-)

The core grammatical structure here is so [adjective] that . . . The clause following the "that" is a consequence of the degree of the adjective. See:
GMAT Idioms: Cause and Consequence
Examples
...so intelligent that she completed a Ph.D. at the age of 19.
...so hungry that he ate an entire baked chicken.
...so distant that light reflected from it takes 20 minutes to arrive.


That's the core structure. Now, suppose this adjective, the very one that is raised to an extreme degree by the word "so," modifies a noun. Idiomatically, it is crucial that the adjective touch the word "so." Normally, as you point out, an article would come before an adjective, but here, the requirements of the idiom take over. The word "so" must touch the adjective: as a consequence, we wind up with the somewhat unusual structure:
so [adjective] a/an [noun] that . . .
Examples:
Theodore Roosevelt was so dynamic a politician that . . .
Kazakhstan is so large a country that . . .
Algebraic topology is so abstruse a topic that . . .


In fact, that noun could be modified by a noun-modifying phrase or clause, and this would put significant distance between the opening "so" and the closing "that" of the idiom.
Beethoven was so popular a concert pianist in Vienna in the 1790s that . . .
The electron is so small a particle, even compared to the other subatomic particles, that . . .


This is the structure used in this sentence: "so sweeping a command in World War I that ..." It is relatively uncommon in colloquial English and appears more frequently in sophisticated writing.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


Thanks Mike for you help. I'm just curious to know whether there is any preference (rhetorically or subtle meaning) to say:

So sweeping a command in World War I that....

or

Such a sweeping command in World War I that......


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Thanks Mike for you help. I'm just curious to know whether there is any preference (rhetorically or subtle meaning) to say:

So sweeping a command in World War I that....

or

Such a sweeping command in World War I that......


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Dear Mo2men,
I'm happy to respond, my friend. :-)

Both versions are 100% correct and communicate virtually the same information. If anything, the former gives slightly more emphasis to the adjective itself. Suppose, in the second version, we were to put the word "sweeping" in italics to give it a bit of extra emphasis. That's roughly the extra emphasis that version #1 gives the adjective.

Does all this make sense?
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Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.

(A) such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to
(B) such a sweeping command in World War I that no single WWII general would be a correspondence with
(C) so sweeping a command in World War I as no single WWII general would be corresponding to
(D) so sweeping a command in World War I that no single WWII general corresponds to
(E) such a sweeping command in World War I because no single WWII general corresponds with
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Official Explanation


Split #1: noun vs. verb. The noun “correspondence” appears in choices (A) & (B), and the verb forms “corresponding” and “corresponds” appear in choices (C) & (D) & (E). This is not conclusive, but we suspect the correct answer will be among these latter three.

Split #2: the idiom with “correspond”. Both the verb “to correspond” and the noun “correspondence” take the preposition “to” when we are talking about a “correspondence” in the sense of a pattern of matching, as we are here. (We would speak of a “correspondence with” someone if we were talking about an exchange of communication.) Here, we need the preposition “to” — choices (A) & (C) & (D) have this correct preposition, but choices (B) & (E) make the mistake of using “with”, so these two are incorrect.

Split #3: the “such” & “so” construction. One correct idiom is “such a [noun] that” — here, the construction “such a sweeping command in WWI that” —- only choice (B) has this version correct. Another correct idiom is “so [adjective] that” or “so [adjective] a [noun] that” — here, we would need the construction “so sweeping a command in WWI that” —- only choice (D) correctly follows this idiom. The other three choices don’t follow either of these idioms correctly.

The only possible answer is (D).

FAQ: What is the difference between "corresponds to" and "corresponds with?"

The verb "correspond" has two meanings:

To be in agreement, harmony, or conformity; to be similar or equivalent in character.
To communicate by letter, usually over a period of time.
If we want to say that one thing is similar to another, we need to use "corresponds to" and if we want to say that one person was communicating with another, we use "corresponds with".

We are using the first definition, "to be similar in character" in our sentence, because we want to say that no WWII general could compare to General John Pershing. Hence, the correct version of the sentence has to have the "corresponds to" structure.
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E is very obviously wrong, as it gives something from World War II as a reason for something from World War I. This is logically impossible and incorrect. ‘Correspondence with’ is incorrect, it should be corresponds or correspondence to, so B is also incorrect. Tense is incorrect in C and correspondence to is a very awkward phrasing, so the correct answer must be D.
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Five-star General John Pershing had such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to him.

(A) such a sweeping command in World War I as no single WWII general is a correspondence to
Since the comparison tell us that none had the same sweeping power as John pershing the corresponds to is the correct usage

(B) such a sweeping command in World War I that no single WWII general would be a correspondence with
When dealing with comparison it is either there exists or not there is no significance of would be

(C) so sweeping a command in World War I as no single WWII general would be corresponding to
This gives us the reasoning the commanders in world war 2 wants to make comparison between them and the general

(D) so sweeping a command in World War I that no single WWII general corresponds to
This is the exact reasoning we were looking for let us hang to it

(E) such a sweeping command in World War I because no single WWII general corresponds with
because in this argument conveys wrong meaning and is completely unnecessary

Therefore IMO D
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