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Bunuel wrote:
How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8?

(A) 222

(B) 245

(C) 291

(D) 315

(E) 343


Total numbers from 299 to 1000 (excluding both) = 999-300+1 = 700
hundred digit = 3,4,5,7 or 9 = 5 options
tenth digit = 7 options (0,2,3,4,5,7,9)
unit digit = 7 options (0,2,3,4,5,7,9)
5*7*7 = 245
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I dont get it

what if our first digit (hundenredth digit )is 3
it means now we need (0,2,4,5,7,9) on tenth , WHY DID YOU TOOK 3 for tenth digit? Its MENTIONED WE NEED DIFFERENT 3-digit number which means all digit must be different


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Hi rocko911

the question says different three digit number and not different digits. for eg. 333 is different from 444, however the digits in both these numbers are same.
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Hi Sajjad1093,

There are a few errors in your approach:

1) There are actually 7 digits that could be placed in the tens and units 'spots' (not 6).
2) The number 305 and 350 are DIFFERENT results that you have to account for, so this is a permutation (NOT a combination).
3) Digits can be used repeatedly (for example, 333 and 355 are possible options that you have to consider).

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Bunuel wrote:
How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8?

(A) 222

(B) 245

(C) 291

(D) 315

(E) 343


3 digits number greater than 299 = 999-299 = 700

Three places to be filled to make desired 3 digit number = - - -

Total ways to fill the left most place = 5 choices {3, 4, 5, 7, 9}
Total ways to fill the Middle place = 7 choices {All digits except 1, 6 and 8}
Total ways to fill the Middle place = 7 choices {All digits except 1, 6 and 8}

Total Desired numbers = 5*7*7 = 245

Answer: Option B
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How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8?

(A) 222

(B) 245

(C) 291

(D) 315

(E) 343

I didn't calculate total number of three-digit integers between 300 and 1,000.

Using slot method to find three-digit numbers that are > 299 and that do not contain 1, 6, and 8

Integers to use if no other restrictions:

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,6, 7, 8,9:

7 possibilities if no other restrictions

____ * ____ * ____

FIRST SLOT:
1) Numbers must be greater than 299. First is 300. So first slot's smallest number is 3
2) Not allowed: 0 and 2. Strike them from 7 total above, = 5 possibilities: 3, 4, 5, 7, 9

SECOND SLOT: only first restriction applies. Hence 7 possibilities for second slot

THIRD SLOT: same as second slot

__5__ * __7__ * __7__ = 245

Answer B
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Re: How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not con [#permalink]
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Bunuel wrote:
How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8?

(A) 222

(B) 245

(C) 291

(D) 315

(E) 343


Total numbers from 299 to 1000 (excluding both) = 999-300+1 = 700
hundred digit = 3,4,5,7 or 9 = 5 options
tenth digit = 7 options (0,2,3,4,5,7,9)
unit digit = 7 options (0,2,3,4,5,7,9)
5*7*7 = 245
B


I dont get it

what if our first digit (hundenredth digit )is 3
it means now we need (0,2,4,5,7,9) on tenth , WHY DID YOU TOOK 3 for tenth digit? Its MENTIONED WE NEED DIFFERENT 3-digit number which means all digit must be different


Please help
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Re: How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not con [#permalink]
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Bunuel wrote:
How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8?

(A) 222

(B) 245

(C) 291

(D) 315

(E) 343


3 digits number greater than 299 = 999-299 = 700

Three places to be filled to make desired 3 digit number = - - -

Total ways to fill the left most place = 5 choices {3, 4, 5, 7, 9}
Total ways to fill the Middle place = 7 choices {All digits except 1, 6 and 8}
Total ways to fill the Middle place = 7 choices {All digits except 1, 6 and 8}

Total Desired numbers = 5*7*7 = 245

Answer: Option B


I get the above method.

But what i initially tried is :

for every "hundreds" 3,4,5,7,9. I calculated combinations for "tens" and "units" places for each of them and add them all up.

like 3 _ _ is 6C2 which is 30.

30*5=150.

What am i doing wrong?
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Re: How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not con [#permalink]
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Hi Sajjad1093,

There are a few errors in your approach:

1) There are actually 7 digits that could be placed in the tens and units 'spots' (not 6).
2) The number 305 and 350 are DIFFERENT results that you have to account for, so this is a permutation (NOT a combination).
3) Digits can be used repeatedly (for example, 333 and 355 are possible options that you have to consider).

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my bad i didnt write clearly.

so i have assumed the following:

1) I considered "different 3-digit numbers" is all digits being different. like 334 or 332 not allowed. 302 and 320 are allowed becuase each of the 3 digit is different. But now you have stated that digits can be repeated, its the figure that needs to be different.

2) So even considering the above correction i have done 7! because considering the limitation on the digits to be used which is 1,6,8 being off limit which leaves us with 7 digits.

I have also applied permutations and not combinations. As i have calculated 370 and 307 as unique arrangement

Like for 3 _ _ i have calculated 7!/5! because we do not need the rest of 5 digits arrangement as we wont be using them.

The above would get me the possible arrangements for "3 hundreds" like 332, 304, 398 etc... which are 42.

Thus i now apply the same principle for rest of 4,5,7 and 9 "hundreds"

or essentially 42*5=210

However considering your 3rd point:

When I apply combination on the tens and units places in each hundred, I am not considering 3 4 4 or 3 9 9 arrangement because the digit are only used once in this method and therefore I am falling 35 arrangements short?
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Re: How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not con [#permalink]
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi Sajjad1093,

There are a few errors in your approach:

1) There are actually 7 digits that could be placed in the tens and units 'spots' (not 6).
2) The number 305 and 350 are DIFFERENT results that you have to account for, so this is a permutation (NOT a combination).
3) Digits can be used repeatedly (for example, 333 and 355 are possible options that you have to consider).

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my bad i didnt write clearly.

so i have assumed the following:

1) I considered "different 3-digit numbers" is all digits being different. like 334 or 332 not allowed. 302 and 320 are allowed becuase each of the 3 digit is different. But now you have stated that digits can be repeated, its the figure that needs to be different.

2) So even considering the above correction i have done 7! because considering the limitation on the digits to be used which is 1,6,8 being off limit which leaves us with 7 digits.

I have also applied permutations and not combinations. As i have calculated 370 and 307 as unique arrangement

Like for 3 _ _ i have calculated 7!/5! because we do not need the rest of 5 digits arrangement as we wont be using them.

The above would get me the possible arrangements for "3 hundreds" like 332, 304, 398 etc... which are 42.

Thus i now apply the same principle for rest of 4,5,7 and 9 "hundreds"

or essentially 42*5=210

However considering your 3rd point:

When I apply combination on the tens and units places in each hundred, I am not considering 3 4 4 or 3 9 9 arrangement because the digit are only used once in this method and therefore I am falling 35 arrangements short?
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Hi Sajjad1093,

In this prompt, digits CAN be used repeatedly, so since ANY of the 7 digits can be in the "ten's spot" and ANY of the 7 digits can be in the "unit's spot", there are (7)(7) options for those two spots. However, your calculation... 7!/5! = (7)(6)... calculates that the two digits CANNOT be repeated. That's why your total is lower than it should be - there are MORE options than you are accounting for with this calculation.

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Bunuel wrote:
How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8?

(A) 222

(B) 245

(C) 291

(D) 315

(E) 343


Take the task of creating the 3-digit numbers and break it into stages.

Stage 1: Select the first digit (hundreds digit)
Since the first digit can be 3, 4, 5, 7 or 9, we can complete stage 1 in 5 ways

Stage 2: Select the second digit (tens digit)
Since the second digit can be 0, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 or 9, we can complete stage 2 in 7 ways

Stage 3: Select the third digit (units digit)
Since the third digit can be 0, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 or 9, we can complete stage 3 in 7 ways

By the Fundamental Counting Principle (FCP), we can complete all 3 stages (and thus create a 3-digit number) in (5)(7)(7) ways (= 2445 ways)

Answer: B

Note: the FCP can be used to solve the MAJORITY of counting questions on the GMAT. So, be sure to learn it.

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Bunuel wrote:
How many different 3-digit numbers are greater than 299 and do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8?

(A) 222

(B) 245

(C) 291

(D) 315

(E) 343



The first (or hundreds) digit has 5 choices (digits 3 to 9, excluding 6 and 8). Each of the second (or tens) and the third (or units) digits has 7 choices (digits 0 to 9, excluding 1, 6 and 8). Therefore, the number of 3-digit numbers greater than 299 that do not contain the digits 1, 6, or 8 is

5 x 7 x 7 = 245

Answer: B
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