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i agree with your answer for 1, but are you a machine or a human being? :o :shock:


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3. The author of the passage would be most likely to agree with which of the following statements regarding the economists mentioned in line 1?

(A) Their beliefs are contradicted by certain economic phenomena that occurred in the United States during the 1960's and the 1980's.
(B) Their theory fails to predict under what circumstances the prices of foreign and domestic goods are likely to increase.
(C) They incorrectly identify the factors other than savings and investment rates that affect real interest rates.
(D) Their belief is valid only for the United States economy and not necessarily for other national economies.
(E) They overestimate the impact of the real interest rate on the national savings and investment rates.

Why E can't be answer for Question =3 ?

i rejected A because their belief was high rate of business savings in the United States is a necessary precursor to investment. They didn't take into account other factors that could vary rate. So it means they over emphasized the impact of real interest rate on the national savings and investment rates.

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The economists mentioned in line 1 have two major beliefs:

    (1) That "a high rate of business savings in the United States is a necessary precursor to investment," and
    (2) That "real interest rates...will be low when national savings exceed business investment,...and high when national savings fall below the level of business investment"

The author then provides examples of times when interest rates were high even though national savings were high. This challenges the second belief of the economists.

So, which answer choice would the author agree with?
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(A) [The economists'] beliefs are contradicted by certain economic phenomena that occurred in the United States during the 1960's and the 1980's.

The third paragraph describes several instances in the 1960s and the 1980s when economic phenomena contradicted the economists' beliefs:

  • In the 1960s "real interest rates were often higher when the national savings surplus was large"
  • Real interest rates rose sharply between 1980 and 1982 "even though national savings and investments were roughly equal throughout the period"

(A) looks good.

(B) tells us:
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(B) Their theory fails to predict under what circumstances the prices of foreign and domestic goods are likely to increase.

The third paragraph tells us about a situation in 1979 when the price of domestic and foreign goods changed. However, there is no prediction attributed to the economists earlier in the passage regarding what circumstances would cause an increase in the price of foreign and domestic goods. Nor is there a description of a theory that would make the same prediction.

There is no information in the passage to suggest (B) is the right answer, let's cross it out and move on.

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(C) They incorrectly identify the factors other than savings and investment rates that affect real interest rates.

There's no suggestion in the passage that the economists incorrectly identify other factors. The passage suggests the economists don't identify any other factors other than savings and investment rates that affect real interest rates.

(C) is not supported by the information in the passage, so eliminate it.

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(D) Their belief is valid only for the United States economy and not necessarily for other national economies.

The economists and the author both focus on the United States Economy, and the author challenges the economists' beliefs. So, the author DOESN'T think that the economists' belief is valid for the US economy. Additionally, we have to idea whether the author thinks that their belief would be valid for other economies.

(D) is out.

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(E) They overestimate the impact of the real interest rate on the national savings and investment rates.

When looking at (E), it's important to remember exactly what causes what, according to the economists.

The economists argue that "real interest rates...will be low when national savings exceed business investment." So, the economists think that national savings/business investment impact interest rates.

The author challenges this belief, saying that "clearly, real interest rates respond to influences other than the savings/investment nexus." Here, the author says that savings/investment are not the only factors impacting interest rates.

Both these statements discuss whether, and to what degree, the national savings and investment rates impact the real interest rate. There is no indication to suggest the economists believe the real interest rate impacts national savings and investment rates.

Therefore, the author would not agree that the economists overestimate this impact -- neither the author nor the economists believe the impact goes in that direction.

For this reason, we can eliminate (E).

This leaves us with (A), which is the correct answer to question 3.

I hope that helps!
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Got the answer as BDE : Time 5.3 min.

Why is option E wrong. Can any one clarify pls

Let me try to answer.
Firstly,option A correct as the information is clearly and expilcitly given in the passage.
For option E,the economists theory is given in the passage as inaccurate as well as inconsistent because there are two scenarios given in which claim made by economists dont work.So,word 'overestimate' is incorrectly used.


Hope it helps. :)
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I did a silly mistake in question number 2 - I marked choice A which is a correct inference, but not caused by "the foreign investment." Silly me.
Takeaway - please read the question very carefully and completely, and only then answer the question.
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Many economists believe that a high rate of business savings in the United States is a necessary precursor to investment, because business savings, as opposed to personal savings, comprise almost three-quarters of the national savings rate, and the national savings rate heavily influences the overall rate of business investment.

These economists further postulate that real interest rates-the difference between the rates charged by lenders and the inflation rates-will be low when national savings exceed business investment (creating a savings surplus),and high when national savings fall below the level of business investment (creating a savings deficit ).

However, during the 1960's real interest rates were often higher when the national savings surplus was large. Counterintuitive behavior also occurred when real interest rates skyrocketed from 2 percent in 1980 to 7 percent in 1982, even though national savings and investments were roughly equal throughout the period. Clearly, real interest rates respond to influences other than the savings/investment nexus. Indeed, real interest rates may themselves influence swings in the savings and investment rates. As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States. As a result, domestic economic activity and the ability of businesses to save and invest were restrained.
1. The passage is primarily concerned with

(A) contrasting trends in two historical periods
(B) presenting evidence that calls into question certain beliefs
(C) explaining the reasons for a common phenomenon
(D) criticizing evidence offered in support of a well-respected belief
(E) comparing conflicting interpretations of a theory



2. According to the passage, which of the following resulted from foreign investment in the United States after 1979?

(A) An increase in real interest rates
(B) A decrease in the savings rate of certain other nations
(C) An increase in American investment abroad
(D) An increase in the price of American goods abroad
(E) A decrease in the price of domestic goods sold at home



3. The author of the passage would be most likely to agree with which of the following statements regarding the economists mentioned in line 1?

(A) Their beliefs are contradicted by certain economic phenomena that occurred in the United States during the 1960's and the 1980's.
(B) Their theory fails to predict under what circumstances the prices of foreign and domestic goods are likely to increase.
(C) They incorrectly identify the factors other than savings and investment rates that affect real interest rates.
(D) Their belief is valid only for the United States economy and not necessarily for other national economies.
(E) They overestimate the impact of the real interest rate on the national savings and investment rates.




Hi workout ,
I narrowed it down to B and D but ended up selecting D for question no. 1

1. The passage is primarily concerned with

(A) contrasting trends in two historical periods
(B) presenting evidence that calls into question certain beliefs
(C) explaining the reasons for a common phenomenon
(D) criticizing evidence offered in support of a well-respected belief
(E) comparing conflicting interpretations of a theory



I believe that the author doesnt call any belief into question rather he is criticizing the belief by supporting it with and evidence.

Where am i wrong?
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P1- Economists believes
P2- Further beliefs
P3- Para start with however, some contrast for above belief

Main point - Some belief of economists are resented and some evidence contradicting to it is presented.

1. The passage is primarily concerned with

(A) contrasting trends in two historical periods --- NO. Contrast is not there and historical period is also off.
(B) presenting evidence that calls into question certain beliefs --- The belief is that when savings exceed business investment then the interest rate is low and vice versa. "Clearly, real interest rates respond to influences other than the savings/investment nexus. " --- This one calls above into question.
(C) explaining the reasons for a common phenomenon -- Full passage is not covered in it.
(D) criticizing evidence offered in support of a well-respected belief --- No for sure.
(E) comparing conflicting interpretations of a theory ---- interpretations does not seem that way.

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2. According to the passage, which of the following resulted from foreign investment in the United States after 1979?
Lines to read - As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States. Clearly D is the answer.

(D) An increase in the price of American goods abroad

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3. The author of the passage would be most likely to agree with which of the following statements regarding the economists mentioned in line 1?
Answer A undeniably correct As time line matches.

(A) Their beliefs are contradicted by certain economic phenomena that occurred in the United States during the 1960's and the 1980's.
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In q3 I was confused between c and e.

Can someone explain why c is wrong too ? Ty

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Many economists believe that a high rate of business savings in the United States is a necessary precursor to investment, because business savings, as opposed to personal savings, comprise almost three-quarters of the national savings rate, and the national savings rate heavily influences the overall rate of business investment.

These economists further postulate that real interest rates-the difference between the rates charged by lenders and the inflation rates-will be low when national savings exceed business investment (creating a savings surplus),and high when national savings fall below the level of business investment (creating a savings deficit ).

However, during the 1960's real interest rates were often higher when the national savings surplus was large. Counterintuitive behavior also occurred when real interest rates skyrocketed from 2 percent in 1980 to 7 percent in 1982, even though national savings and investments were roughly equal throughout the period. Clearly, real interest rates respond to influences other than the savings/investment nexus. Indeed, real interest rates may themselves influence swings in the savings and investment rates. As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States. As a result, domestic economic activity and the ability of businesses to save and invest were restrained.
1. The passage is primarily concerned with

(A) contrasting trends in two historical periods
(B) presenting evidence that calls into question certain beliefs
(C) explaining the reasons for a common phenomenon
(D) criticizing evidence offered in support of a well-respected belief
(E) comparing conflicting interpretations of a theory



2. According to the passage, which of the following resulted from foreign investment in the United States after 1979?

(A) An increase in real interest rates
(B) A decrease in the savings rate of certain other nations
(C) An increase in American investment abroad
(D) An increase in the price of American goods abroad
(E) A decrease in the price of domestic goods sold at home



3. The author of the passage would be most likely to agree with which of the following statements regarding the economists mentioned in line 1?

(A) Their beliefs are contradicted by certain economic phenomena that occurred in the United States during the 1960's and the 1980's.
(B) Their theory fails to predict under what circumstances the prices of foreign and domestic goods are likely to increase.
(C) They incorrectly identify the factors other than savings and investment rates that affect real interest rates.
(D) Their belief is valid only for the United States economy and not necessarily for other national economies.
(E) They overestimate the impact of the real interest rate on the national savings and investment rates.




Hi workout ,
I narrowed it down to B and D but ended up selecting D for question no. 1

1. The passage is primarily concerned with

(A) contrasting trends in two historical periods
(B) presenting evidence that calls into question certain beliefs
(C) explaining the reasons for a common phenomenon
(D) criticizing evidence offered in support of a well-respected belief
(E) comparing conflicting interpretations of a theory



I believe that the author doesnt call any belief into question rather he is criticizing the belief by supporting it with and evidence.

Where am i wrong?






This is the evidence provided by the author :-

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During the 1960's real interest rates were often higher when the national savings surplus was large. Counterintuitive behavior also occurred when real interest rates skyrocketed from 2 percent in 1980 to 7 percent in 1982, even though national savings and investments were roughly equal throughout the period. Clearly, real interest rates respond to influences other than the savings/investment nexus


However, Author is not criticizing this evidence anywhere in the passage.

Hope it helps
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Many economists believe that a high rate of business savings in the United States is a necessary precursor to investment, because business savings, as opposed to personal savings, comprise almost three-quarters of the national savings rate, and the national savings rate heavily influences the overall rate of business investment.

These economists further postulate that real interest rates-the difference between the rates charged by lenders and the inflation rates-will be low when national savings exceed business investment (creating a savings surplus),and high when national savings fall below the level of business investment (creating a savings deficit ).


However, during the 1960's real interest rates were often higher when the national savings surplus was large. Counterintuitive behavior also occurred when real interest rates skyrocketed from 2 percent in 1980 to 7 percent in 1982, even though national savings and investments were roughly equal throughout the period. Clearly, real interest rates respond to influences other than the savings/investment nexus. Indeed, real interest rates may themselves influence swings in the savings and investment rates. As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States. As a result, domestic economic activity and the ability of businesses to save and invest were restrained.

(A) Their beliefs are contradicted by certain economic phenomena that occurred in the United States during the 1960's and the 1980's.

yes they believed that was only X and maybe was Y or X+Y

(C) They incorrectly identify the factors other than savings and investment rates that affect real interest rates.

NO they believed that was X and instead was Y. They did not identify OTHER factors. They were not aware of them. The empirical evidence showed to us a different scenario. Clearly form the passage C is wrong

we cannot say they were wrong simply because they did not know those factors whatsoever
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I'm unable to eliminate option C for Q3 based on the following lines in para 3

'Clearly, real interest rates respond to influences other than the savings/investment nexus'

Can you please help me understand where my interpretation is wrong ?

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In paragraph 2, the author tells us what certain economists think: these economists believe that "that real interest rates [...] will be low when national savings exceed business investment (creating a savings surplus),and high when national savings fall below the level of business investment (creating a savings deficit).

Notice that these economists only mention two factors that influence real interest rates: national savings and business investment.

Then, in paragraph 3, the author disagrees with these economists, saying that real interest rates must be influenced by factors OTHER than the two mentioned by the economists.

Question 3 asks us what the author would think about the economists. Here's (C):
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(C) They incorrectly identify the factors other than savings and investment rates that affect real interest rates.

This isn't quite right, because the economists ONLY identified savings and investment rates as factors that influence real interest rates. So the author doesn't think that they "incorrectly identify" other factors -- he/she thinks that they FAILED to identify other factors.

Because the economists didn't identify any other factors, the author wouldn't agree with (C) for question 3.

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Hi Experts, apologies if I am asking a dumb question, but I am literally confused with question no. 2. Either I need to throw my SC understanding so far into the garbage, or I am seriously blindsided by some economic relationship that is so trivial and seemingly straightforward for others but not the case for me; thus, this question wasted a lot of time. Expert comments from your brain trust will be constructive. Here is my analysis.

If we look at this statement in the passage -
As real interest rates shot up after 1979, ("As" introducing a subordinate clause which is more of a cause or the reason for the list that'll follow). The list includes their items; the 3rd item (three clauses) is joined by comma + and (a typical construction for GMAT to introduce a list). So, three items are
1. foreign investors poured capital into the United States,
2. the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and
3. the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States.

Now, question 2 asks:
According to the passage, which of the following resulted from foreign investment in the United States after 1979?
(A) An increase in real interest rates - "foreign investment" resulted from "An increase in real interest rates" and not the other way around. Wrong.
(B) A decrease in the savings rate of certain other nations - "other nations" we don't know as they are not mentioned. Yes, consumers have to spend more for US products, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the national savings rate, which comprises business and personal savings rates, is low. But the other way to look at it is that if the national savings rate comprises business and personal savings rates, at best, if either business or ordinary people spend more for buying US-made goods, there is a negative impact on the national savings rate. Yes, I am not happy with this option, but let me share my problem with other options.
(C) An increase in American investment abroad - We don't know and are not mentioned in the passage.
(D) An increase in the price of American goods abroad - Yes, this line "increase in the price of American goods abroad" is mentioned in the passage. But it includes the other two effects of "real interest rates shot up after 1979."
(E) A decrease in the price of domestic goods sold at home - Not mentioned.

Am I missing how to read this statement: "As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States."? Am I missing the cause and effect between "foreign investors poured capital into the United States" and "the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad"? If so, then how can I improve to read such cause-effect statements?

Yes, the words mentioned in the option D are mentioned in some shape and form in the line of interest. Or is the question straightforward that we just need to shut off our brains, and as the other four are not mentioned, one is mentioned, whatever the relationship is? Let's choose that.

Please share your valuable insights.


I understand why you are upset and perhaps with good reason too. I don't know what the source of this passage is but hopefully, it is not an official passage. That said, I would mark it as (D) for sure because there is a good economic reason behind it. Perhaps GMAT wouldn't expect you to know it or think through it but you are planning on a business degree so might as well understand it.

"As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States. As a result, domestic economic activity and the ability of businesses to save and invest were restrained."

We could consider that 'real interest rates' caused these three effects but it could be considered a sequence of events one leading to the other.
As A happened, B happened, C happened, and D happened.

As interest rates shot up (in US), more foreign capital came in (to take advantage of the high interest rates). When foreign currency (say Euros) comes in (supply of foreign currency has increased), your domestic currency (Dollar) strengthens. So a domestic USD100 bag is more expensive to Europeans now. But a Euro 100 bag made in Europe is cheaper for you in US, say.
Hence the increase in foreign capital leads to an increase in the price of American goods abroad.

Also note that Economic phenomena are not linear and one event doesn't necessarily or completely explain another. Everything is affected by everything else and hence the theories don't always work the way you expect them to as per what the book says.

Also check out this video that discusses how to approach an RC passage: https://youtu.be/PtqSBl1D_wg
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BDA...All correct... 8 mins 30 secs. :?
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Got the answer as BDE : Time 5.3 min.

Why is option E wrong. Can any one clarify pls
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Time taken - 6 mins 30 seconds

Got all the answers correct. :)
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Total 6 mins 40 seconds , including 3 mins 20 seconds to read .

1.The passage is primarily concerned with
B. presenting evidence that calls into question certain beliefs - Correct - the passage presents evidence to question the belief of many economists

2. According to the passage, which of the following resulted from foreign investment in the United States after 1979?
D. An increase in the price of American goods abroad - As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States.

3.The author of the passage would be most likely to agree with which of the following statements regarding the economists mentioned in line 1?
A. Their beliefs are contradicted by certain economic phenomena that occurred in the United States during the 1960's and the 1980's. - Correct
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"As real interest rates shot up after 1979, foreign investors poured capital into the United States, the price of domestic goods increased prohibitively abroad, and the price of foreign-made goods became lower in the United States."
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In this sentence I guessed that "domestic" doesn't have a clear reference, and hence it is a dis-tractor, but later found that in that COMPLETE sentence it was referred clearly. Take Away - read the complete sentence to infer anything.
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