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42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

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In this sentence both "more likely than" and "as likely as" are correct but the problem is that "likely" should be followed by "to" in the sentence.


I fell for A....but the correct answer is C.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice - "likely to" is the correct idiom..."likely..... in" is incorrect

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than [are] other graduates who plan on practicing - "likely...... who" is incorrect

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as [are] other graduates to plan on practicing - "likely......to plan...." is correct
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Hey All,

I was asked by private message to take this one on, even though there has been plenty of great stuff written already. Here we go:

This is a comparison question, so the whole point is to make sure we're comparing the right two things, and using the correct terminology.

42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
PROBLEM: Should be "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". That's a three-fer!

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
PROBLEM: Again "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". This one doesn't ever complete, because the "who" opens up a new modifier, and we never return to the main clause.

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
PROBLEM: "Four times AS likely" and RATHER THAN implies preference, which makes no sense here. Also, it's totally unclear what's being compared.

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice
PROBLEM: "for minority graduates than other graduates" makes absolutely no sense at all. Where's the comparison?

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This is a GMATPrep question and using "to plan on" (no question on the validity, GMATPrep is the boss)

Here is something interesting from Manhattan Staff:

As per Ron, Manhattan Staff:

"plan on VERBing", by the way, is spoken language. it's substandard written language, and should be considered incorrect; the correct form is "plan to VERB".
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pos ... tml#p25515


What to take from these 2 questions? :)
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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges,

minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

Meaning : According to a survey, MG are nearly four times more likely than OG to plan on practicing Z

Option D) “rather” doesn’t make sense. - Eliminated

Option E) “to plan to practice” there are two intents in the same sentence, making the sentence awkward – Eliminated.

I am confused for Option A/B/C.

One of the rule I follow is more should have “than”. Both A and B satisfy that rule. e-gmat, can you please point out the mistake?


Hi Kinjal,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

Option A is incorrect because "likely" is not followed by "to verb". This word is always followed by a "to verb". For example: Kinjal is likely to understand this explanation. However, in this choice what we have is "likely... in planning to practice". This is the incorrect idiom here. Now, the other idiom "more... than..." is fine. But it has been out so cleverly between this "likely" idiom that we only focus on that. There is no problem with "four times more likely" here.

Option B is also incorrect for the same reason. In fact, the "who clause" just provided additional information. The whole planning part now belongs to the "other graduates" and do not even relate to "minority graduates" in the main clause.

Option C is the correct answer as it rectifies the idiom error in Choice A. The choice says "likely... to plan on practicing".

Hope this helps. :-)
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The OA is C.

However, I've always known that the correct idiom is "plan to", not "plan on".

If that's the case, how does one determine if we should judge the sentence's answer by "as likely as" or "plan to"?


Sorry, but as per my source, OA is E.
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I agree for A.
I cut C because it uses "two times as likely as" instead of "twice as likely as".
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Alright...look kids...

42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

D & E are out because they don't even sound right due to awkwardness.

So you're down to A B and C.

In A, the second "are" is necessary which is tricky because they think you might fall for the being "parallel" thing.

In B, "who plan on practicing" ....huh...doesn't that sound bad?

So it leaves C, which naturally sounds correct.
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Hey Nusma,

Well, technically, it would be "X is Y times as likely as Z to do something". That's the full on comparison construction. But yes, the two things have to be nouns, because the verb comes after the Z (to do something).

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First of all, "more likely than" and "as likely as" are bothe correct. But "more likely that" and "as likely for" are unidiomatic. Hence we are left with A B and C

A can be ruled out because the two portions being compared by "more likely than" are not parallel. "Minority graduates" and "are other graduates". Instead it should be "minority graduates" and "other graduates".
Hence we are left with B and C

One rule to keep in mind is that infinitives are preferred when a certain action will occur in future. Hence in this case "to plan" is preferred. Also, option B compares "minority graduates" with "other graduates who plan on practicing" which is not correct.

Hence option C is the correct ans.
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No way for E.. IT is ambigious

And i think C is incorrect too.

We are basically saying that minority students are more likely to serve in poor area than other grads students.

minority grads: 1 out of 4
Other grads: 1 out of 10

C: Changes the meaning of the sentence... as likely as => the same probability as other grads...

So C is out...

...so left with A and B...

A is clear : Minority grads ...are more likely ... to practice in poor areas..


Ans is: A

??? any thoughts
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The problem in E is "it is" doesn't refer to anything. In grammar terms, it doesn't have an antecedent.
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sk5002 wrote:
Hi Shraddha,

Can you please explain the role of underlined portion below in answer choice A? Also, this underlined portion isn't present in B, does that set the comparison correctly(provided the error with who is fixed in 2nd choice)?

minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

Thanks in advance :)


Hi sk5002,

In both Choice A and B, the comparison is logical and absolutely unambiguous. Presence or absence of "are" does not affect the comparison because there is nothing else in the sentences with which "minority graduates" can be compared. the only logical entity in the sentence that can be compared to "minority graduates" is "other graduates". Hence, presence or absence of "are" does not lead to any ambiguity and hence, its presence or absence is OPTIONAL but NOT INCORRECT.

For example:

Ronny is a better bowler than Roy (is). --> In this sentence, we may or may not choose to repeat the helping Verb "is" because the comparison is absolutely clear. he two compared entities in this sentence are "Ronny" and "Roy". When a sentence presents CLEAR COMPARISON, repeating the helping Verb becomes OPTIONAL as we see in this official sentence.

Repeating the helping Verb becomes mandatory when the sentence conveys AMBIGUOUS COMPARISON. For example:

Ronny is familiar with Roy longer than Ria.

This sentence presents AMBIGUOUS COMPARISON because we can interpret two comparisons here:

1. Ronny is familiar with Roy longer than is Ria. --> Entities Compared - Ronny and Ria

2. Ronny is familiar with Roy longer than with Ria. --> Entities Compared - Roy and Ria

So, if the author intends to communicate the first meaning, then he MUST repeat the helping Verb "is". In absence of this helping verb, the sentence leads to ambiguous comparison. You can also read this article on Ellipses in Comparison for more clarity on this topic: how-far-ellipsis-is-permissible-in-comparison-148973.html

Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi Shraddha,

Thanks for the wonderful explanation. I also read the article by you on ellipsis. But I'm kinda stuck on this comparsion issue and I think this example should help me clarify-:

This one is from OG.

Original : Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

Modified: Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than those last yearbecause refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

My Doubt: a) Is the bold and italic in the modified sentence a case of ellipsis when compared to original?
b) How do I know in this sentence or any for that matter what is being compared? The reason I ask this is I got confused whether original sentence(also the correct one) compares the two time periods or the prices in two years?
c) If it's time period than original makes sense but how do I clear this ambiguity while solving comparison questions

Thanks as always for you help. You are great!!


Hi sk5002,

The original sentence is:

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

In this sentence, ellipsis is definitely at play. Let's rewrite the sentence with all the words that have been kept understood in the original:

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than heating oil prices last year because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

So now we know that the two compared entities are "heating oil prices this year" and "heating oil prices last year". So the two "heating oil prices" are being compared.

Also, you can always ask, what is "higher" because "higher than" is the expression that tells you that there is a contrast in this sentence. So what's higher? It is the heating oil prices and hence, that entity is being compared in this sentence.

The best way to know what's being compared is to understand the meaning of the sentence. So do pay attention to the original sentence to get the intended logical comparison in the sentence.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Hey All,

I was asked by private message to take this one on, even though there has been plenty of great stuff written already. Here we go:

This is a comparison question, so the whole point is to make sure we're comparing the right two things, and using the correct terminology.

42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
PROBLEM: Should be "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". That's a three-fer!

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
PROBLEM: Again "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". This one doesn't ever complete, because the "who" opens up a new modifier, and we never return to the main clause.

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
PROBLEM: "Four times AS likely" and RATHER THAN implies preference, which makes no sense here. Also, it's totally unclear what's being compared.

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice
PROBLEM: "for minority graduates than other graduates" makes absolutely no sense at all. Where's the comparison?

Hope that helps!

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Hi,

I understand the "AS likely AS X TO" construction and why C is the best option. However is "more LIKELY than X TO" a correct construction as well ? ( Which is not a part of the options right now)


For multiplication, "as .... as" is used.
For addition, "more.... than" is used.

The reason is as follows:

Consider the following statement:
I have 5 more books than you have.
This implies that the difference between my books and your books is 5. If you have x books, I have x+5 books.

Now take this statement:
I have 5 times more books than you have.
This implies that the difference between my books and your books is 5x. If you have x books, I have x + 5x books, i.e. 6x books. Thus if the meaning intended is that I have 5x books, then the sentence is wrong. The correct sentence then would be:

I have 5 times as many books as you do.
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Hey All,

I was asked by private message to take this one on, even though there has been plenty of great stuff written already. Here we go:

This is a comparison question, so the whole point is to make sure we're comparing the right two things, and using the correct terminology.

42. According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
PROBLEM: Should be "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". That's a three-fer!

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
PROBLEM: Again "four times AS likely AS other graduates TO plan". This one doesn't ever complete, because the "who" opens up a new modifier, and we never return to the main clause.

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
PROBLEM: "Four times AS likely" and RATHER THAN implies preference, which makes no sense here. Also, it's totally unclear what's being compared.

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice
PROBLEM: "for minority graduates than other graduates" makes absolutely no sense at all. Where's the comparison?

Hope that helps!

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Hello TommyWallach

Can u please elaborate on the usage of "as likely as" and " more likely than". Is there any circumstance in which both can be used interchangeably?


No, they are not interchangeable.

X is as likely as Y... implies the likelihood of X = the likelihood of Y
X is more likely than Y... implies likelihood of X > the likelihood of Y
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Agree with C:
One question however:
What is the idiom for "plan"?"Plan to" or "plan on"
If C is the correct answer it means the correct idiom is plan on???
Please clarify
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The OA is C.

However, I've always known that the correct idiom is "plan to", not "plan on".

If that's the case, how does one determine if we should judge the sentence's answer by "as likely as" or "plan to"?
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I am having the same problem
I crossed C with haste, when i read "to plan on practicing"

Can anyone please help on this one ?
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