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Answer is E.
The question is which point will weaken the argument.
B and C can be completely eliminated as they are trying to strengthen the argument. They are advantage to the Micro-Mechanics chip.

Now between A, D and E, point E strongly will be a disadvantage for the Micro-Mechanics chip. If the manufacturers are able to provide the protection against the intense radiation, there will be no need for Micro-mechanics chip. Hence E.

Now why not D - D says some components in computer will be able to survive against the exposure of radiation. What about the other components? If all the components were able to survive against the radiation, then it would have been an apparent advantage for Electronic chips.

Hence answer is not D, but E.
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Electronic computer chips made of tiny silicon wafers now regularly contain millions of electronic switches. Unfortunately, electronic switches that are this small cannot withstand intense radiation. Micro-Mechanics plans to produce a chip that, because it uses only microscopic mechanical switches, will be invulnerable to radiation damage. The switches will, however, be slower than electronic switches and the chip will contain only 12,000 switches.

For there to be a market for Micro-Mechanics’ chip as a result of the apparent advantage described above, each of the following would have to be true EXCEPT:

A. There will be applications in which the speed attainable by an electronic switch is not essential.

B. Switches used on electronic chips that contain only 12,000 switches are more vulnerable to radiation damage than the switches on Micro-Mechanics’ chip will be.

C. There will be applications for computer chips in environments where the chips may have to survive intense radiation.

D. Some devices in which computer chips will be used will have other
components that will be able to function during or after exposure to radiation.

E. Manufacturers are able to protect electronic computer chips against exposure to intense radiation, where this protection is necessary.
oa is E and can someone explain why not D?

is this weaken question or question about choosing the one that does not strength?
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Electronic chip: contains million of electronic switches,cannot stand intense radiation.
New chip(Micro-Mechanics’ chip): slower, contain only 12,000 (microscopic mechanical )switches, more invulnerable to radiation.

Rephrase the Q.: what is the asssumption for the new chip to be sucessful,EXCEPT.

In A, negate the choice, If the slowness is important factor for purchase--> noone buy.
In B, simply said that microscopic mechanical switch is more invulnerable that Elec switch (holding the quantity(12,000) the same)-> must be true to be sucessful.
In C, must hold true. It is the objective of inventing the new chip. If it is not held true, no need to invent then and wont be sucessful.
In D, negate the choice. If D is not hold, then the new chip wont work anyway because of other obstacle (other devices). Then, the new chip wont be successful.
No need to hold E, since the new chip is made to be invulnerable to the intense radiation.

My ans is E
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This is wrong. there could be other devices which do not satisfy the below statement...

D. Some devices in which computer chips will be used will have other
components that will be able to function during or after exposure to radiation.
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It is clearly E.

However, I am a little confused how B works

Is it correct that B simply say what the passage is saying, the fact that new swiches are more invulerable than elctronic swiches? Is this the reason why B is not the answer?

What does B try to say?
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Answer is E.
The question is which point will weaken the argument.
B and C can be completely eliminated as they are trying to strengthen the argument. They are advantage to the Micro-Mechanics chip.

Now between A, D and E, point E strongly will be a disadvantage for the Micro-Mechanics chip. If the manufacturers are able to provide the protection against the intense radiation, there will be no need for Micro-mechanics chip. Hence E.

Now why not D - D says some components in computer will be able to survive against the exposure of radiation. What about the other components? If all the components were able to survive against the radiation, then it would have been an apparent advantage for Electronic chips.

Hence answer is not D, but E.


Does the Gmat CR test answer choices in such cases that do NOTHING to do argument (no affect-doesn't strengthen or weaken it)? I ask because the LSAT considers such choices legitimate. WHat is the likelihood of that on that GMAT? I doubt it's very high

Still can't believe I got this in the OG. This would be considered a hard LSAT LR question

Originally posted by manimgoindown on 05 Mar 2013, 08:10.
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e-gmat that was an excellent response!

I have a few questions though. What if the question stem read each of the following would be false except (this is acceptable on the lsat)
how would negating the answer choices as you did with D change what we're looking for? Would we be looking for a strengtherner instead?

Another question I would ask is what are some modifiers and their negations? For the following

ALL X
SOME X
NONE X
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manimgoindowndown wrote:
e-gmat that was an excellent response!

I have a few questions though. What if the question stem read each of the following would be false except (this is acceptable on the lsat)
how would negating the answer choices as you did with D change what we're looking for? Would we be looking for a strengtherner instead?

Another question I would ask is what are some modifiers and their negations? For the following

ALL X
SOME X
NONE X


Hi,

Thanks for the compliment.

If the question stem had asked that "Each of the following would have to be false EXCEPT", then I would expect 4 weakeners and 1 non-weakener.

Just like in the case non-strengthener, a non-weakener can either strengthen the conclusion or have no impact. So, in such a question, you should not compulsorily look for a strengthener, a random statement having no impact on the conclusion would be a valid answer choice.

Negation of All X
- Not All X
- Atleast one not X
- Some not X

Negation of Some X
- No X
- X does not exist
- Not even a single X

Negation of None X
- At least one X
- Some X

Negation and Negation test is covered in detail in e-GMAT "Assumption" Concept. Even though this concept is not part of the free trial, there are a good number of concepts as part of free trial, both in CR and SC. You can register for free at https://www.e-gmat.com

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manimgoindowndown wrote:
e-gmat that was an excellent response!

I have a few questions though. What if the question stem read each of the following would be false except (this is acceptable on the lsat)
how would negating the answer choices as you did with D change what we're looking for? Would we be looking for a strengtherner instead?

Another question I would ask is what are some modifiers and their negations? For the following

ALL X
SOME X
NONE X


By the way, here's an article on negation. I forgot to mention in the last post:

article-what-and-how-to-negate-4-exercise-questions-138510.html

Thanks :)
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Guess, B is trying to add extra clarity to the claim (that mechanic chips are much better). It makes it clear that the vulnerability of electronic chips to radiation (or at least in relation to mechanic chips) can't be attributed to the difference in the quantity (number) of switches (electronic/mechanic).
B shows that the vulnerability of electronic chips is inherent. So tweaking certain features won't fix it.
Electronic switches can't handle radiation even if they posses just a comparable number of switches. Absolute.
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Electronic computer chips made of tiny silicon wafers now regularly contain millions
of electronic switches. Unfortunately, electronic switches that are this small cannot
withstand intense radiation. Micro-Mechanics plans to produce a chip that, because
it uses only microscopic mechanical switches, will be invulnerable to radiation
damage. The switches will, however, be slower than electronic switches and the
chip will contain only 12,000 switches.

For there to be a market for Micro-Mechanics’ chip as a result of the apparent
advantage described above, each of the following would have to be true EXCEPT:

A. There will be applications in which the speed attainable by an electronic
switch is not essential.

B. Switches used on electronic chips that contain only 12,000 switches are more
vulnerable to radiation damage than the switches on Micro-Mechanics’ chip
will be.

C. There will be applications for computer chips in environments where the chips
may have to survive intense radiation.

D. Some devices in which computer chips will be used will have other
components that will be able to function during or after exposure to radiation.

E. Manufacturers are able to protect electronic computer chips against exposure
to intense radiation, where this protection is necessary.


Was between D and E, can anyone elaborate further on these two answer choices?

Cheers!
J :)


E is the right answer because if all the manufacturers can protect against radiations, than what is the purpose of MM to produce such devices? There will be no market for them...

Hope it helps!
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Electronic computer chips made of tiny silicon wafers now regularly contain millions of electronic switches. Unfortunately, electronic switches that are this small cannot withstand intense radiation. Micro-Mechanics plans to produce a chip that, because it uses only microscopic mechanical switches, will be invulnerable to radiation damage. The switches will, however, be slower than electronic switches and the chip will contain only 12,000 switches.


1. Chips containing multiple tiny silicon electronic switches , which can not withstand intense radiation , but contains millions of switches.

2. Plans to develop microscopic mechanical switches , invulnerable to radiation damages.

3. The switches though 12K in number will be slower than electronic switches.

For there to be a market for Micro-Mechanics’ chip as a result of the apparent advantage described above, each of the following would have to be true EXCEPT:

A. There will be applications in which the speed attainable by an electronic switch is not essential.

True.

B. Switches used on electronic chips that contain only 12,000 switches are more vulnerable to radiation damage than the switches on Micro-Mechanics’ chip will be.

True

C. There will be applications for computer chips in environments where the chips may have to survive intense radiation.

True.

D. Some devices in which computer chips will be used will have other components that will be able to function during or after exposure to radiation.

Might be True.

E. Manufacturers are able to protect electronic computer chips against exposure to intense radiation, where this protection is necessary.

False , if this is true what's the use of production of new chip?
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D. Some devices in which computer chips will be used will have other
components that will be able to function during or after exposure to radiation.

E. Manufacturers are able to protect electronic computer chips against exposure
to intense radiation, where this protection is necessary.


Was between D and E, can anyone elaborate further on these two answer choices?

Cheers!
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If we take D, it says some devices will have other components that will be able to function when exposed to radiation. This implies, for such devices the only drawback is electronic chips that are not good with radiation. Therefore Mechanical chips are a viable replacement for electronic chips in these devices. Thus these devices will be potential market for Mechanical chips.

E means, that while the electronic chips themselves cannot stand radiation, there is another way to protect them. Then Mechanical chips will not be necessary. hence E is the answer.

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we have to look for a scenario where the new mechanical switch offers no additional advantage--------

facts--1. Electronic computer chips made of tiny silicon wafers contain millions of electronic switches but cannot withstand intense radiation.
2. Micro-Mechanics plans a chip which uses only microscopic mechanical switches hence invulnerable to radiation damage.
3. Micro-Mechanics chip are slower than electronic switches and contain only 12,000 switches.

lets see the answers------

A. There will be applications in which the speed attainable by an electronic switch is not essential. ....in this scenario Micro-Mechanics chips will be useful..INCORRECT
B. Switches used on electronic chips that contain only 12,000 switches are more vulnerable to radiation damage than the switches on Micro-Mechanics’ chip
will be. ............in this scenario Micro-Mechanics chips will be useful..INCORRECT
C. There will be applications for computer chips in environments where the chips may have to survive intense radiation.......in this scenario Micro-Mechanics chips will be useful..INCORRECT.

D. Some devices in which computer chips will be used will have other components that will be able to function during or after exposure to radiation........... THIS IS MANDATORY for use of the Micro-Mechanics chips..otherwise why use it ... in any case there will be a breakdown.....hence advantageous.....INCORRECT

E. Manufacturers are able to protect electronic computer chips against exposure to intense radiation, where this protection is necessary..then why go for the..Micro-Mechanics chips.....it may not be required......CORRECT answer ..



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Can you please explain what is meant by 'would have to be true'...I took this for 'must be true' and had many contenders...
The answer suits better only if we say..each of the following if true will show the need of mechanical switches except
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I also think the answer be 'E'.

Thanks e-gmat for explaining.
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Can you please explain what is meant by 'would have to be true'...I took this for 'must be true' and had many contenders...
The answer suits better only if we say..each of the following if true will show the need of mechanical switches except

Dear JusTLucK04,
I received your p.m. and am happy to respond. :-)

The structure "X has to be true" is identical in meaning to "[b]X must be true[/b]." The structure "would have to be true" puts this into the hypothetical realm. We don't know whether the mechanical switches will have a market, but in the hypothetical scenario in which they did have a market, what are those conditions that would be absolutely necessary in order to bring about that very scenario? This is essentially a "must be true except" question; it's just that the scenario about which they are talking, the scenario of the mechanical chips finding a market, hasn't happened yet and is not guaranteed to happen, so we must discuss everything about that scenario hypothetically.

Does all this make sense?
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JusTLucK04 wrote:
Can you please explain what is meant by 'would have to be true'...I took this for 'must be true' and had many contenders...
The answer suits better only if we say..each of the following if true will show the need of mechanical switches except

Dear JusTLucK04,
I received your p.m. and am happy to respond. :-)

The structure "X has to be true" is identical in meaning to "[b]X must be true[/b]." The structure "would have to be true" puts this into the hypothetical realm. We don't know whether the mechanical switches will have a market, but in the hypothetical scenario in which they did have a market, what are those conditions that would be absolutely necessary in order to bring about that very scenario? This is essentially a "must be true except" question; it's just that the scenario about which they are talking, the scenario of the mechanical chips finding a market, hasn't happened yet and is not guaranteed to happen, so we must discuss everything about that scenario hypothetically.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)

If it is so..Isn't D bit of a stretch..How should we know that to function properly these chips require some other working components in the instrument too
Is it a necessary condition?..COnfused Between D & E..but E is any day a better option..Still this is a Gmat prep question
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