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Broadly speaking I never believed who score above 700 with 2 months or so.

My humble opinion. It is certainly true but they are only spare cases

Gmat need dedication for who is in particular NOT native. Though I have seen native completely dumb in english
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Today ,I took my first mock and scored very bad, 500. I am very disappointed.
I was never good in verbal. I scored 12. Quant 49.

I am thinking i am not made for GMAT, can anyone advise me what to do?
Just wanna know can anyone improve from 500 - 700 + Level . Is it possible?(Honest answer Please)

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Today ,I took my first mock and scored very bad, 500. I am very disappointed.
I was never good in verbal. I scored 12. Quant 49.

I am thinking i am not made for GMAT, can anyone advise me what to do?
Just wanna know can anyone improve from 500 - 700 + Level . Is it possible?(Honest answer Please)

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Hey
You nailed quant and if that is your first score then you need not look at quant for a couple of weeks in your prep.
V12 can be disappointing but people especially non natives do tend to possess a lot of premonitions which act as barriers.

As to your second question, nobody is made for the GMAT. I agree that certain people to tend to be naturals in standardized tests but I can assure you that with hard efforts people have been on the 99th percentile.
2 things you need to mention for us to take a closer look at your situation.

  • How long do you intend to study for the GMAT?
  • What is your desired score?
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thanks for the reply Souvik..

I am working guy .. I am ready to put my efforts in the preparation till the time i scored well.
Even i think that i am not putting my best effort with best techniques( Please advise me such).

Please let me know if you can advise me a study plan.

I am definitely going to apply in next year as this year deadline is already gone for many college and i am not my best with GMAT.

I was targeting the GMAT score of 750+ but with this dismal mock score i am now targeting my score to 700+.I don't wanna lower my score than this one.

That was my first mock. Let me take my 2nd mock with some more preparation and then let me tell u my score on that.

Your words were encouraging. Actually, i was never able to good in any exam and i have never live up to my expectation and that disappoint me .
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thanks for the reply Souvik..

I am working guy .. I am ready to put my efforts in the preparation till the time i scored well.
Even i think that i am not putting my best effort with best techniques( Please advise me such).

Please let me know if you can advise me a study plan.

I am definitely going to apply in next year as this year deadline is already gone for many college and i am not my best with GMAT.

I was targeting the GMAT score of 750+ but with this dismal mock score i am now targeting my score to 700+.I don't wanna lower my score than this one.

That was my first mock. Let me take my 2nd mock with some more preparation and then let me tell u my score on that.

Your words were encouraging. Actually, i was never able to good in any exam and i have never live up to my expectation and that disappoint me .

You are good to go
But one last thing before you go head on with the prep.
Do not and I repeat DO NOT exhaust official CATs especially since you have used up one of them already.
I think at this stage you dont need to worry about your mock scores.
Start with a sound plan and then move up till you are done with 80% of your syllabus and then its time for you to take a CAT (unofficial in my opinion)
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This is a good plan for almost every body!
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Kudos to you Souvik for starting this thread.
Though much has been discussed before this, however, i assume a fresh discussion is required in light of the changed pattern of verbal especially SC.
I think a lot of people including me approach SC in a very very mechanical way, trying to follow POE using the grammer rules. IMHO, This very methodology is faulty and is one of the biggest obstacle in our strive for V 40. As we move to the upper level questions, the usual 3-2 splits are gone, there are more than one and at times more than two grammatical correct answer choices and it becomes hard to decide the correct choice. So, to cut the long story short, The emphasis right from the beginning of the preparation should be on Style, usage and meaning and not on pure grammar.
I think the native speakers generally don't face much of a problem in verbal and most of them score above 35 in verbal. So It really boils down to the familiarity and ease with the language. The actual proplem lies in our non-familiarity with the language and more so the gmat type language, a weakness that very few admit.
As highlighted by Souvik that by the time we reach last 15-20 questions in verbal,we are just not able to think on the right lines. So what if we focus a lot on reading literature that uses gmat style? Although one is not doing a direct kind of preparation by doing so, however, reading subtly prepares us for not only SC but the entire verbal portion. I think it benefits maximum in RC in which we not only learn to read faster than before but also comprehend simultaneously. Here is what bb has to say on this issue
books-to-read-improve-verbal-score-and-enjoy-a-good-read-76079.html
The point i want to make here is that
WE CANNOT ACHIEVE A SCORE OF 40 BY LEARNING A BUNCH OF GRAMMAR RULES. IT'S OUR STANDING IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE THAT HAS A MAJOR ROLE TO PLAY AND STANDING CAN ONLY IMPROVE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME BY ENGAGING WITH THE LANGUAGE.
P.S.- Souvik, i hope i have not taken the discussion away from the subject being discussed. :oops:


Rajeev as far as getting from V30 to V40 is concerned. IMHO a better strategy would be to go from V30-V35 and then from V35-V40.
As you may have seen several of non native speakers(Indians) manage to score like 680-720 with Q49-50, V31-36. So one can reach V35 without going back to the drawing board and reading several novels etc.

Following can help to get V35
- Repeated study of MGMAT SC(including making short notes)(3-5 times) + Powerscore CR(2-3 times).
- Practicing and reviewing OG12, 0GV2 slowly twice. Analyzing each SC/CR problem to find the takeways.
- Some Verbal Sectional Tests to see the progress.

From V35-V40 (to be done slowly in a period of 3-4 months)
Its all going to be pattern recognition and stamina.
- Practicing 2000 CR/RC problems from LSAT.
- 10 Full Length Tests with Thorough Review.

The problem with Reading Non Fiction and Learning Sentence Diagramming is that one is NOT sure whether it will yield proportionate results.
Native speakers have developed reading habit over decades can it be replicated by non native speakers in 6-8 months ? Some Verbal Tutors can tell from experience.
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Kudos to you Souvik for starting this thread.
Though much has been discussed before this, however, i assume a fresh discussion is required in light of the changed pattern of verbal especially SC.
I think a lot of people including me approach SC in a very very mechanical way, trying to follow POE using the grammer rules. IMHO, This very methodology is faulty and is one of the biggest obstacle in our strive for V 40. As we move to the upper level questions, the usual 3-2 splits are gone, there are more than one and at times more than two grammatical correct answer choices and it becomes hard to decide the correct choice. So, to cut the long story short, The emphasis right from the beginning of the preparation should be on Style, usage and meaning and not on pure grammar.
I think the native speakers generally don't face much of a problem in verbal and most of them score above 35 in verbal. So It really boils down to the familiarity and ease with the language. The actual proplem lies in our non-familiarity with the language and more so the gmat type language, a weakness that very few admit.
As highlighted by Souvik that by the time we reach last 15-20 questions in verbal,we are just not able to think on the right lines. So what if we focus a lot on reading literature that uses gmat style? Although one is not doing a direct kind of preparation by doing so, however, reading subtly prepares us for not only SC but the entire verbal portion. I think it benefits maximum in RC in which we not only learn to read faster than before but also comprehend simultaneously. Here is what bb has to say on this issue
books-to-read-improve-verbal-score-and-enjoy-a-good-read-76079.html
The point i want to make here is that
WE CANNOT ACHIEVE A SCORE OF 40 BY LEARNING A BUNCH OF GRAMMAR RULES. IT'S OUR STANDING IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE THAT HAS A MAJOR ROLE TO PLAY AND STANDING CAN ONLY IMPROVE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME BY ENGAGING WITH THE LANGUAGE.
P.S.- Souvik, i hope i have not taken the discussion away from the subject being discussed. :oops:


Rajeev as far as getting from V30 to V40 is concerned. IMHO a better strategy would be to go from V30-V35 and then from V35-V40.
As you may have seen several of non native speakers(Indians) manage to score like 680-720 with Q49-50, V31-36. So one can reach V35 without going back to the drawing board and start reading several novels etc.

Following can help to get V35
- Repeated study of MGMAT SC(including making short notes)(3-5 times) + Powerscore CR(2-3 times).
- Practicing and reviewing OG12, 0GV2 slowly twice. Analyzing each SC/CR problem to find the takeways.
- Some Verbal Sectional Tests to see the progress.

From V35-V40 (to be done slowly in a period of 3-4 months)
Its all going to be pattern recognition and stamina.
- Practicing 2000 CR/RC problems from LSAT.
- 10 Full Length Tests with Thorough Review.

The problem with Reading Non Fiction and Learning Sentence Diagramming is that one is NOT sure whether it will yield proportionate results.
Native speakers have developed reading habit over decades can it be replicated by non native speakers in 6-8 months ? Some Verbal Tutors can tell from experience.

I agree with most of this.
Probably not for doing 2000CR/RC problems from LSAT.
Doing a huge number of very difficult problems might do more damage than good especially with CR.
10 full length tests is also an overkill.
AbhiJ, you are completely spot on IMO about getting to V35. After that, I think its all about going official.
My advice is to just intenralize the GMAT patterns and traps. Going through every SC and CR qestion on the official guides and probably deconstruct them like a madman. A better ROI would be possible in that case IMO.
The GMATPrep Q Pack can also come to be very useful.
Best resource, as always, is MGMAT forums by Mr. Ron Purewal and Stacey Koprince. (all personal opionions)
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I think...every possible material is mentioned fr V30 to V 35....but i feel
Two most important things must be added....
1. Over all verbal is about BIG picture thinking.....Mostly Cr, it can be won if we see the big picture of the argument, do not get bogged down in the specifics...come out with general conclusion in you own words....and go fr the kill.

2. Aristotle CR grail.....Believe i have gone through Powerscore for more than 5 times...no doubt has helped me a lot...Veritas prep, etc....But Aristotle CR's nthn like it...Clear concise and to the point...You can possibly finish the whole book in 10-15 days....fr sure you will see the difference....

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I think...every possible material is mentioned fr V30 to V 35....but i feel
Two most important things must be added....
1. Over all verbal is about BIG picture thinking.....Mostly Cr, it can be won if we see the big picture of the argument, do not get bogged down in the specifics...come out with general conclusion in you own words....and go fr the kill.

2. Aristotle CR grail.....Believe i have gone through Powerscore for more than 5 times...no doubt has helped me a lot...Veritas prep, etc....But Aristotle CR's nthn like it...Clear concise and to the point...You can possibly finish the whole book in 10-15 days....fr sure you will see the difference....

Consider Kudos If my post helps!!

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Hi BB/Archit and all,

No one here mentioned about GMAT prep pack 1 the set of exams from from source.
Can we discuss it here.
>How are they,
>what frequency they should be taken at,
>How many exams come in that set
>Are explanations present in that exam.


Also can we compare Aristotle CR and Powerscore CR. I really need help in CR/RC section.
As i feel books cannot help much in improving CR and RC. But still i will buy one of those if they are really helpful.

I have MGMAT guides as well OG,12. Will getting any new books help me?
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I took my GMAT recently, and my score in verbal pulled down my overall score. I plan to study for my second attempt. Can someone please suggest some good books for verbal. I had practised OG while preparing, and my accuracy while practising was around 88%. But, somehow during the test it didn't translate into a decent score:(

After solving OG once or twice, I already know the answers to the questions, hence, concerned that when I refer it again I would know the answers beforehand. How would that help me?

Someone do let me know how to approach it, also is there any other material apart from OG and MGMAT SC.
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Hi,

I took my GMAT recently, and my score in verbal pulled down my overall score. I plan to study for my second attempt. Can someone please suggest some good books for verbal. I had practised OG while preparing, and my accuracy while practising was around 88%. But, somehow during the test it didn't translate into a decent score:(

After solving OG once or twice, I already know the answers to the questions, hence, concerned that when I refer it again I would know the answers beforehand. How would that help me?

Someone do let me know how to approach it, also is there any other material apart from OG and MGMAT SC.


Hi Most of them follow

MGMAT SC for SC.
Aristotle SC.
PowerScore CR Bible.
Kaplan Verbal Workbook

Also Please look into this post by regarding the best books.

If you are looking for any classes,

Please look into this POST for Courses.

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I am here with a heart as heavy as a rock. I have my exam booked for the 25th of this month. I attended some classes in March, went for three months and found GMAT to be very difficult. Personal problems came up, so dint really study. Honest preparations started three months back. I started with the materials I got at the centre. They were hardcore, way above my level-any given day!! Later,I did the OG and I had somewhere between 60-70 % accuracy. I found the material quite easy. I did not time myself during the whole process. I then got my hands on MGMAT study guides. I started preparing with them. I felt I understood most of the material and I was in a better place than I was before. I did some practice problems from some books I have and I still was at the 60-70%.

During the whole deal, I never took any practice mock test. The fear of defeat kept me out of that hole. Now, 17 days for my exam, I took my first mock test- MGMAT Free Test. I scored Q37 and V25. I always had a better hand at verbal, I thought. Anyhow, timing was a huge problem. I had 37 secs left and 10 question to go in Quant. I guesses them all,6/10 were correct. My total was 520. Now, I am not sure what to do with myself or with the test. I have an inner gut feeling that I can crack the exam. But, gut wont be enough, would it?

Someone say something nice. I desperately need some thing to hang on to.

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I am in the same boat. Gave my exam on Nov 30, 2013. Scored a dismal 640 Q48, V29. At this stage, I am thinking of retaking the exam next month so that I can give the exam atleast 20 days before the application deadlines of my targeted schools.I want to know here is to improve my verbal, understand that I have to study OG again with a different perspective especially SC and CR questions. Don't have the patience and time to do the RC passages. I had also downloaded GMATprep questions posted by Souvik. Will they be helpful as well ? Considering I have around a month's time for the preparation or I should refer to something else. Please help. I am in big need of it.
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Today ,I took my first mock and scored very bad, 500. I am very disappointed.
I was never good in verbal. I scored 12. Quant 49.

I am thinking i am not made for GMAT, can anyone advise me what to do?
Just wanna know can anyone improve from 500 - 700 + Level . Is it possible?(Honest answer Please)

thanks
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Don not worry, I gave my first mock here on gmat club itself. And scored a V19. And guess what, after 2 months of preparation I am at V25. So keep studying hard and keep yourself motivated. Give mock tests regularly (once a month or so) and keep a track of your progress. In my case, studying monotonously for days and weeks drains all the motivation out of me but it is the mock test which charges my battery again. I've seen people prepare for this exam and get done with it in 3 months. Well, Lets just admit that you and me are not one of them. But GMAT doesn't force you to give an exam on one date, right? so take your time. I know that I for sure would take at least a year to be fully prepared. But that's okay. This is one exam that can change a lot. Make it or break it.
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Thank you. Very useful. I am currently scoring 34
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