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In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N ?

(1) Triangle MNP is equilateral.
(2) Point M has coordinates (−4,0).


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In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N ?

(1) Triangle MNP is equilateral.
(2) Point M has coordinates (−4,0).
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Target question: What are the coordinates of point N ?

Statement 1: Triangle MNP is equilateral
There are infinitely-many equilateral triangles that satisfy the given conditions. Here are two:

Since the coordinates of point N are different for the two equilateral triangles, we cannot answer the target question with certainty.
Statement 1 is NOT SUFFICIENT

Statement 2: Point M has coordinates (−4,0)
There are infinitely-many triangles that satisfy statement 2. Here are two:

Since the coordinates of point N are different for the two triangles, we cannot answer the target question with certainty.
Statement 2 is NOT SUFFICIENT

Statements 1 and 2 combined
Key property:


Since triangle MNP is equilateral, we know that the altitude from point N must bisect side MP.

The distance from point M to (0,0) is 4.
So, distance from point P to (0,0) must also be 4
So, the length of side MP = 4 + 4 = 8

Since side MP = 8, we know that all three sides of the equilateral triangle must have length 8


At this point, it's clear that we have enough information to find the coordinates of point N.
If we focus on the blue right triangle below, we can see that we COULD apply the Pythagorean theorem to find the height of the triangle, which means we COULD find the coordinates of point N (although we would never waste valuable time on test day actually calculating the coordinates)

Since we COULD answer the target question with certainty, the combined statements are SUFFICIENT

Answer: C

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Answer is supposedly C.
We require both statements to conclude answer.

Statement 1 is just telling about the triangle being an equilateral triangle. No cordinates or data given to determine point N. (not sufficient)

Statement 2 states Only cordinate of M. No data for N or P.(not sufficient)

Since MNP is an equilateral triangle. Distance between MO and PO will be equal which is 8 unit.
Area of triangle is 1/2*(base)*(height)=Area of equilateral triangle
1/2*MP*NO= √3/4*(side)^2
1/2*8*N0 = √3/4*(8)^2
NO=4√3
Since N is on y intercept.
X cordinate will be zero.
Y will be 4√3.

So IOC should be C

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Re: In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N [#permalink] In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N   29 Apr 2020, 12:09
According to me there is something wrong in the question. It's not mentioned that "O" is passing through the origin so how can we be sure that point P has co-ordinates (4,0). What if it's co-ordinates are (2,0). Then the side=6 and not 8. And in the exam the figure is never drawn to scale basis. So we just can't rely on the image.

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Re: In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N [#permalink] In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N   29 Apr 2020, 19:04
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According to me there is something wrong in the question. It's not mentioned that "O" is passing through the origin so how can we be sure that point P has co-ordinates (4,0). What if it's co-ordinates are (2,0). Then the side=6 and not 8. And in the exam the figure is never drawn to scale basis. So we just can't rely on the image.

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Hi TaizKaran

There is nothing wrong in the question. This is official question

Since X and Y axis are meeting at Point O so it automatically becomes Origin.
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Re: In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N [#permalink] In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N   29 Apr 2020, 20:07
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According to me there is something wrong in the question. It's not mentioned that "O" is passing through the origin so how can we be sure that point P has co-ordinates (4,0). What if it's co-ordinates are (2,0). Then the side=6 and not 8. And in the exam the figure is never drawn to scale basis. So we just can't rely on the image.

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Yes, you are correct that figures in DS question are not drawn to scale.

But the two statements combine tells you that P has co-ordinates (4,0).

It is an equilateral triangle, so the altitude will be in the middle of PM, so O has to be the center of MP.
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According to me there is something wrong in the question. It's not mentioned that "O" is passing through the origin so how can we be sure that point P has co-ordinates (4,0). What if it's co-ordinates are (2,0). Then the side=6 and not 8. And in the exam the figure is never drawn to scale basis. So we just can't rely on the image.

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You are given that it is the xy coordinate plane. y and x axis are drawn intersecting at O. Then O is definitely (0, 0). No questions about it.
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According to me there is something wrong in the question. It's not mentioned that "O" is passing through the origin so how can we be sure that point P has co-ordinates (4,0). What if it's co-ordinates are (2,0). Then the side=6 and not 8. And in the exam the figure is never drawn to scale basis. So we just can't rely on the image.

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Solution:

You are right that we cannot rely on the figure for certain information since figures are not necessarily drawn to scale; however, that doesn't mean that there's nothing about the figure that you can rely on. The figure clearly labels the perpendicular lines as the x-axis and the y-axis and since O is the point of intersections of the axes, it must be the origin. Even if the figure is not drawn to scale, the question cannot claim that the two perpendicular lines were just some arbitrary lines labeled "x" and "y"; those lines must be the x- and y-axes, respectively.

Some of the things you can assume of a figure are as follows: If a line is drawn as straight, then it is indeed straight (so that there are no hidden bends or curves). If a point is drawn on a line or a line segment, then that point is indeed on that line or line segment (so that the question cannot claim points M and P were "slightly above" the x-axis). If two lines or points are drawn as distinct, then they are indeed distinct (so that the question cannot claim points M and O were actually the same point). With these assumptions as well as the two statements, the answer is clearly C.
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Re: In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N [#permalink] In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N   10 Jun 2020, 00:52
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Wont we have to take Negative value of N... i.e. below x-axis....
Arent 2 equilateral triangles possible....?
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Wont we have to take Negative value of N... i.e. below x-axis....
Arent 2 equilateral triangles possible....?



No, we will not take the negative value of N, as it is shown on the positive side of x axis, and other 2 points are shown on x-axis.
had it been not given on sketch and it was given that 2 points are equidistant from the origin and lie on x-axis, then there would be possibility of N having negative x-coord.
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In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N [#permalink] In the xy-coordinate plane above, what are the coordinates of point N   15 Mar 2021, 04:27
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Solution:

A new og 2021 question

St(1):- There is no information about coordinates of M,P. (Insufficient)

St(2):- We can shift the point N to any point on the Y axis with M remaining constant at (-4,0).

This would provide us with no unique value of N. (Insufficient)

Combining both we have

P has coordinates (4,0) as the perpendicular in an equilateral triangle(as given in St(1) bisects the base.

Given M is (-4,0) in St(2) =>P is (4,0).

Thus MP =4+4 = 8 units of length.

=> MN =8 units (equilateral triangle)

=>MO=4 units and hence ON can be computed ( Using Pythagorean theorem)

=> 1/2*8*N0 = √3/4*(8)^2

Since N is on y intercept, X coordinate will be 0 and hence N =(0, 4√3) (Sufficient) option (c)

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