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While our research found that in most DS questions the fastest way to solve the question is the Logical approach, in questions like this one, in which both the given information and the statements can be further simplified, the Precise approach might be faster.
The questions, translated into an algebraic expression, is whether (x+y+z)/3 > z, or, is x +y+z>3z, which can be simplified to: x+y>2z?
By 'moving' the negative variables in statement (1) to the other side of the inequality we get 2z < x+y, which is exactly what we were looking for.
Statement (2) on the other hand tells is that one variable is larger than z while the other is smaller, but we don't know how large are the differences (if y was far greater than z, their sum could have been greater than 2z. Also, if both x and y were greater than z, then their sum would have definitely been greater than 2z).
So statement (2) is not sufficient, while statement (1) is.

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Is the average (arithmetic mean) of the numbers x, y, and z greater than z ?

(1) z − x < y − z
(2) x < z < y

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The original question: Is $$\frac{x+y+z}{3}>z$$ ?
The rephrased question: Is $$x+y+z>3z$$ ? $$\implies$$ Is $$x+y>2z$$ ? $$\implies$$ Is $$z<\frac{x+y}{2}$$ ?

In words: Is $$z$$ less than the average of the numbers $$x$$ and $$y$$ ?

1) We know that $$z-x<y-z$$, which we can rearrange.

$$2z<x+y$$

$$z<\frac{x+y}{2}$$

Thus, the answer to the rephrased question is a definite Yes. $$\implies$$ Sufficient

2) We know that $$x<z<y$$ and can test possible cases. If $$x=1$$, $$z=1.5$$, and $$y=2$$, then the answer to the rephrased question is No. However, if $$x=1$$, $$z=1.4$$, and $$y=2$$, then the answer to the rephrased question is Yes. Thus, we can't get a definite answer to the rephrased question. $$\implies$$ Insufficient

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Is the average (arithmetic mean) of the numbers x, y, and z greater than z ?

(1) z − x < y − z
(2) x < z < y

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We need to determine:

Is (x + y + z)/3 > z ?

Is x + y + z > 3z ?

Is x + y > 2z ?

Statement One Alone:

z − x < y − z

Manipulating the inequality, we have:

2z < y + x

We see that the question has been answered. Statement one alone is sufficient to answer the question.

Statement Two Alone:

x < z < y

Statement two is not sufficient. If x = 1, z = 2, y = 3, then the average of x, y, and z is not greater than z. However if x = 1, z = 2, and y = 100, then the average is x, y, and z is greater than z.

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Hi All,

We're asked if the average (arithmetic mean) of the numbers X, Y, and Z is GREATER than Z. This is a YES/NO question and can be approached with a mix of Arithmetic and TESTing VALUES. To start, we can 'rewrite' the question a bit:

Is (X+Y+Z)/3 > Z?
Is (X+Y+Z) > 3Z?
Is (X+Y) > 2Z?

By comparison, this is an easier question to answer than what we were initially given.

(1) Z - X < Y - Z

With Fact 1, we can rewrite the inequality as:
2Z < X + Y
This Fact tells us that (X+Y) IS greater than 2Z, so the answer to the question is clearly YES.
Fact 1 is SUFFICIENT

(2) X < Z < Y

With this inequality, we can TEST VALUES and track the results.
IF....
X=1, Z=2, Y=3, then (1+3) is NOT greater than (2)(2), so the answer to the question is NO.
X=1, Z=2, Y=4, then (1+4) IS greater than (2)(2), so the answer to the question is YES.
Fact 2 is INSUFFICIENT

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$$\frac{x+y+z}{3}$$ > z
Rephrasing it, we get is x+y > 2z

Statement 1 -
we get 2z < x + y
Sufficient

Statement 2 -
The average lies between the min and max number.
So, we know that avg lies between x and y.
Now, it can be either greater than, less than or equal to z.
Insufficient.

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How can we multiply x+y+z/3>z......x+y+z>3z without knowing the signs?
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How can we multiply x+y+z/3>z......x+y+z>3z without knowing the signs?

Hi kri93,

The issue that you're referring to is only relevant when you're multiplying or dividing an inequality by a NEGATIVE number. Here, we're multiplying both sides by POSITIVE 3, so we don't have worry about the 'direction' of the inequality.

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Hello, experts!

Why hasn't anyone considered negative integers as an option for Statement 2?

I considered x=-6, z=-4, and y=-2. In this case, 2z = -8 is not greater than -4.

X+Y+Z/3 = (-6)+(-2)+(-4)/3

-12/3 = -4

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Hi Rocknrolla21,

TESTing VALUES is a great way to approach this question - and you can absolutely use negative integers when working through this prompt. In certain DS prompts, that type of 'thoroughness' in your thinking (meaning that you're considering more than just positive integers) is essential to proving what the correct answer is. With this prompt, it's not necessary though - and some minor tweaks to the positive numbers that you might TEST is all that's needed to prove that Fact 2 is Insufficient.

With a bit of work, we can rewrite the given question as:

Is (X+Y) > 2Z?

(2) X < Z < Y

With this inequality, we can TEST VALUES and track the results. The first example is arguably one of the easiest that we could use:
IF....
X=1, Z=2, Y=3, then (1+3) is NOT greater than (2)(2), so the answer to the question is NO.

Since we now have a "NO" answer, if there is a way to get a "YES" answer, then we'd be done working here. Simply changing the value of Y is all that's needed:
IF....
X=1, Z=2, Y=4, then (1+4) IS greater than (2)(2), so the answer to the question is YES.
Fact 2 is INSUFFICIENT

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Hi Experts, EMPOWERgmatRichC

Can someone help me understand, if I were to take the logical approach and not simplify the question to x+y >2z

Then for St. (2) : if we are told that y is the largest no. and x is the smallest, invariably putting z as the middle doesn't z then become the mean for a 3 number sequence. And therefore, the mean is not greater than z and sufficient to answer the question.

I understand that's not OA but if someone can explain the flaw in the above deduction pls! TIA
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Hi Experts, EMPOWERgmatRichC

Can someone help me understand, if I were to take the logical approach and not simplify the question to x+y >2z

Then for St. (2) : if we are told that y is the largest no. and x is the smallest, invariably putting z as the middle doesn't z then become the mean for a 3 number sequence. And therefore, the mean is not greater than z and sufficient to answer the question.

I understand that's not OA but if someone can explain the flaw in the above deduction pls! TIA

z in middle means ‘z’ is the median, but you cannot say anything about mean.
1) 1<2<3….Here z is equal to the mean, 2.
2) 1<3<4….Here, mean is 8/3 or 2.67, and z>2.67
3) 1<2<6… Here, mean is 9/3 or 3, and z<3
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Hi Experts, EMPOWERgmatRichC

Can someone help me understand, if I were to take the logical approach and not simplify the question to x+y >2z

Then for St. (2) : if we are told that y is the largest no. and x is the smallest, invariably putting z as the middle doesn't z then become the mean for a 3 number sequence. And therefore, the mean is not greater than z and sufficient to answer the question.

I understand that's not OA but if someone can explain the flaw in the above deduction pls! TIA

z in middle means ‘z’ is the median, but you cannot say anything about mean.
1) 1<2<3….Here z is equal to the mean, 2.
2) 1<3<4….Here, mean is 8/3 or 2.67, and z>2.67
3) 1<2<6… Here, mean is 9/3 or 3, and z<3

I get where I went wrong. The mean and median is equal ONLY in evenly spaced sets and since we do not have that info we can't assume it and therefore the mean can be different.
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Hi Experts, EMPOWERgmatRichC

Can someone help me understand, if I were to take the logical approach and not simplify the question to x+y >2z

Then for St. (2) : if we are told that y is the largest no. and x is the smallest, invariably putting z as the middle doesn't z then become the mean for a 3 number sequence. And therefore, the mean is not greater than z and sufficient to answer the question.

I understand that's not OA but if someone can explain the flaw in the above deduction pls! TIA

z in middle means ‘z’ is the median, but you cannot say anything about mean.
1) 1<2<3….Here z is equal to the mean, 2.
2) 1<3<4….Here, mean is 8/3 or 2.67, and z>2.67
3) 1<2<6… Here, mean is 9/3 or 3, and z<3

I get where I went wrong. The mean and median is equal ONLY in evenly spaced sets and since we do not have that info we can't assume it and therefore the mean can be different.

Hi Suruchim12,

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Is the average (arithmetic mean) of the numbers x, y, and z greater than z ?

(1) z − x < y − z
(2) x < z < y

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On St2, can we do as below without testing values?

Given x<z<y
Subtract Z from all
x-z<z-z<y-z or
x<0<y
and here we do not have anything for z hence not suff. Bunuel
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Is the average (arithmetic mean) of the numbers x, y, and z greater than z ?

(1) z − x < y − z
(2) x < z < y

DS69502.01
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On St2, can we do as below without testing values?

Given x<z<y
Subtract Z from all
x-z<z-z<y-z or
x<0<y
and here we do not have anything for z hence not suff. Bunuel

No. When subtracting z you get:

x - z < z - z < y - z
x - z < 0 < y - z

Which is not the same as x < 0 < y.

I'd say the most straightforward method to see that the second statement is insufficient is to recognize that the question essentially asks if the average of three numbers (x, y, and z) is more than the middle number (z), which obviously can't be determined.

Hope it helps.
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