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Hi Bunuel,

I tried to solve the question with another approach but it seems to be wrong.

I tried to count the no of cases
The no of cases whose sum is greater than 7 when 2 is included : (2,6) , (2,8) , (2,10) = 3
The no of cases whose sum is greater than 7 when 4 is included : (4,6) , (4,8) , (4,10) = 3
The no of cases whose sum is greater than 7 when 6 is included : (6,4), (6,8) , (6,10) = 3
The no of cases whose sum is greater than 7 when 8 is included : (8,2), (8,4), (8,6), (8,10) = 4
The no of cases whose sum is greater than 7 when 10 is included :(10,2),(10,4),(10,6),(10,8)= 4

So total cases = 3+3+3+4+4 = 17.

And total number of outcomes can be calculated as 5C2.

Please help where I am going wrong ? Is 2,8 and 8,2 one case ?

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1. You are missing (6, 2) case there. This will make the number of favorable outcomes equal to 18.
2. The total number of outcomes is 5*4 = 20, not 10. 5 options for first number and 4 options for the second number.

Thus, P = 18/20 = 9/10.

Hope it's clear.
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Official Solution:

If a bin contains five cards numbered 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10, what is the probability that the sum of the numbers on two cards randomly extracted from the bin will be greater than 7?

A. \(\frac{1}{2}\)
B. \(\frac{3}{4}\)
C. \(\frac{4}{5}\)
D. \(\frac{9}{10}\)
E. \(\frac{19}{20}\)

In only one outcome, when cards with 2 and 4 are selected, the sum will not be greater than 7. The probability of drawing 2 and 4 \(= \frac{1}{5}*\frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{5}*\frac{1}{4} = \frac{1}{10}\) (2 and 4 can be drawn in a different order). The answer to the question is \(1 - \frac{1}{10} = \frac{9}{10}\).

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Hi,

What I tried was
there are 10 ways to choose 2 cards from 5. Ot these choices only 2 gives sum less than 7.
2 & 4 or 4&2

so probability of those choices is 2/10 = 1/5
hence probability of getting sum > 7 is 1-1/5 = 4/5

Can you please tell me, where I'm going wrong?
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Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:

If a bin contains five cards numbered 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10, what is the probability that the sum of the numbers on two cards randomly extracted from the bin will be greater than 7?

A. \(\frac{1}{2}\)
B. \(\frac{3}{4}\)
C. \(\frac{4}{5}\)
D. \(\frac{9}{10}\)
E. \(\frac{19}{20}\)

In only one outcome, when cards with 2 and 4 are selected, the sum will not be greater than 7. The probability of drawing 2 and 4 \(= \frac{1}{5}*\frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{5}*\frac{1}{4} = \frac{1}{10}\) (2 and 4 can be drawn in a different order). The answer to the question is \(1 - \frac{1}{10} = \frac{9}{10}\).

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Hi,

What I tried was
there are 10 ways to choose 2 cards from 5. Ot these choices only 2 gives sum less than 7.
2 & 4 or 4&2

so probability of those choices is 2/10 = 1/5
hence probability of getting sum > 7 is 1-1/5 = 4/5

Can you please tell me, where I'm going wrong?


In the first case you count groups of two so in the second case you also should count in groups of two. So, 2 and 4 is only one group. 1 - 1/10 = 9/10.
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Is the word numbered a hint to use permutation?

Can any expert tell me when to decide whether order is imp or not?

Explaining a few cases would help me a lot.


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axezcole wrote:
Is the word numbered a hint to use permutation?

Can any expert tell me when to decide whether order is imp or not?

Explaining a few cases would help me a lot.


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Since there's no replacement in this problem, it does not matter which method you use for this question; it can be considered as either a combination problem or a permutation problem (hence the same answer for both methods).

If you interpret the experiment as drawing the first card from a total of five and then drawing another card from the remaining four, the problem becomes a permuation problem. In this interpretation, drawing a 2 first and an 8 next is different from the outcome of drawing an 8 first and a 2 next.

If, on the other hand, you interpret the experiment as drawing two cards at the same time from the total of five, then the question becomes a combination problem. When the two cards you draw are a 2 and an 8, that's a single outcome as you draw the two cards at the same time.

In the first interpretation, the total number of outcomes and the number of favorable outcomes are multiplied by two; since each outcome can happen in exactly two ways (such as (2, 8) or (8, 2)). That's why the probability we need to calculate will be the same regardless of whether we use the first interpretation or the second interpretation.

Had there been replacement, it would have not worked out like above. With replacement, you also need to take into account outcomes of (2, 2), (4, 4) etc.; thus you could no longer use the combination method.

It is also interesting to think about how would each method work if you picked not two but three cards.
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I have edited the question and the solution by adding more details to enhance its clarity. I hope it is now easier to understand.
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