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Radius of an inscribed circle in a right triangle is the sum of the legs - the hypotenuse divided by 2.



Is that a rule or was this derived somehow ?
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Radius of an inscribed circle in a right triangle is the sum of the legs - the hypotenuse divided by 2.



Is that a rule or was this derived somehow ?


Hi - Yes, it is a rule, but understanding how it is derived is important. I strongly recommend you check out the GMAT Club Free Math book:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-math-book-in-downloadable-pdf-format-130609.html
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If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approximate area of the largest circle that can be inscribed in this triangle?

(A) pi
(B) 6.3 pi
(C) 4 pi
(D) pi/2
(E) 3 pi/2


Solving this question using basic geometry:

First think, what kind of right triangle will have the largest circle inscribed in it? How will you split the 20 units of the perimeter among the three sides?

You can vary the length of the two legs and the hypotenuse will be already defined. If you keep the length of the two legs very different from each other, the circle you can inscribe in the triangle will be very small. As you make the lengths equal, the circle keeps getting bigger. So this should help you realize that you are looking for an isosceles right triangle.
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\(S + S + \sqrt{2}*S = 20\)
\(S = 20/(2+\sqrt{2})\)
\(S = 10(2 - \sqrt{2}) = 6\) approximately (actually it is smaller than 6 but taking \(\sqrt{2} = 1.4\) helps approximate. Ideally, they should have mentioned this value of root 2 in the question since the calculations are tedious otherwise)

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Now notice that we can calculate area of the triangle in two ways:
(1/2)*leg1*leg2 = (1/2)*Altitude*Hypotenuse

\(6 * 6 = Altitude * \sqrt{2} * 6\)

\(Altitude = 3\sqrt{2} = r + \sqrt{2}r\)

\(r = 3*\sqrt{2}*(\sqrt{2} - 1)\)

\(r = 3*1.4*.4 = 1.7\)

Area of circle \(= \pi*r^2 = \pi*1.7^2 = 3.89\pi\) approximately
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Re: If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approxim [#permalink]
we have formula for radius of circle, insribed to equilateral triangle:

r=a*sqrt3/6, where a is a side of triangle, so

r=20/3*sqrt3/6=10*sqrt3/6

r^2=(10*sqrt3/6)^2=100/27=3.7, so

area=3.7pi or 4pi

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shreyas wrote:
If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approximate area of the largest circle that can be inscribed in this triangle?

(A) pi
(B) 6.3 pi
(C) 4 pi
(D) pi/2
(E) 3 pi/2


Solving this question using basic geometry:

First think, what kind of right triangle will have the largest circle inscribed in it? How will you split the 20 units of the perimeter among the three sides?

You can vary the length of the two legs and the hypotenuse will be already defined. If you keep the length of the two legs very different from each other, the circle you can inscribe in the triangle will be very small. As you make the lengths equal, the circle keeps getting bigger. So this should help you realize that you are looking for an isosceles right triangle.
Attachment:
Ques3.jpg

\(S + S + \sqrt{2}*S = 20\)
\(S = 20/(2+\sqrt{2})\)
\(S = 10(2 - \sqrt{2}) = 6\) approximately (actually it is smaller than 6 but taking \(\sqrt{2} = 1.4\) helps approximate. Ideally, they should have mentioned this value of root 2 in the question since the calculations are tedious otherwise)

Attachment:
Ques4.jpg

Now notice that we can calculate area of the triangle in two ways:
(1/2)*leg1*leg2 = (1/2)*Altitude*Hypotenuse

\(6 * 6 = Altitude * \sqrt{2} * 6\)

\(Altitude = 3\sqrt{2} = r + \sqrt{2}r\)

\(r = 3*\sqrt{2}*(\sqrt{2} - 1)\)

\(r = 3*1.4*.4 = 1.7\)

Area of circle \(= \pi*r^2 = \pi*1.7^2 = 3.89\pi\) approximately



Hi VeritasPrepKarishma
This is quite tough problem. Do you think is possible on test day to face such problem. I think even in 3 minutes is quite hard to get to the solution .

Anyway I would like to point something that I found in your solution and of course correct me if I'm wrong.

So you wrote \(1.7^2 = 3.89\) but \(1.7^2 = 2.89\) now can we round up 2.89 to 4, other than that we can see that the answers are quite far.

Thanks a lot
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kzivrev wrote:
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
shreyas wrote:
If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approximate area of the largest circle that can be inscribed in this triangle?

(A) pi
(B) 6.3 pi
(C) 4 pi
(D) pi/2
(E) 3 pi/2


Solving this question using basic geometry:

First think, what kind of right triangle will have the largest circle inscribed in it? How will you split the 20 units of the perimeter among the three sides?

You can vary the length of the two legs and the hypotenuse will be already defined. If you keep the length of the two legs very different from each other, the circle you can inscribe in the triangle will be very small. As you make the lengths equal, the circle keeps getting bigger. So this should help you realize that you are looking for an isosceles right triangle.
Attachment:
Ques3.jpg

\(S + S + \sqrt{2}*S = 20\)
\(S = 20/(2+\sqrt{2})\)
\(S = 10(2 - \sqrt{2}) = 6\) approximately (actually it is smaller than 6 but taking \(\sqrt{2} = 1.4\) helps approximate. Ideally, they should have mentioned this value of root 2 in the question since the calculations are tedious otherwise)

Attachment:
Ques4.jpg

Now notice that we can calculate area of the triangle in two ways:
(1/2)*leg1*leg2 = (1/2)*Altitude*Hypotenuse

\(6 * 6 = Altitude * \sqrt{2} * 6\)

\(Altitude = 3\sqrt{2} = r + \sqrt{2}r\)

\(r = 3*\sqrt{2}*(\sqrt{2} - 1)\)

\(r = 3*1.4*.4 = 1.7\)

Area of circle \(= \pi*r^2 = \pi*1.7^2 = 3.89\pi\) approximately



Hi VeritasPrepKarishma
This is quite tough problem. Do you think is possible on test day to face such problem. I think even in 3 minutes is quite hard to get to the solution .

Anyway I would like to point something that I found in your solution and of course correct me if I'm wrong.

So you wrote \(1.7^2 = 3.89\) but \(1.7^2 = 2.89\) now can we round up 2.89 to 4, other than that we can see that the answers are quite far.

Thanks a lot


You are right. A much closer value is about \(2.94 * \pi\) and that would mean about \(3*\pi\).
\(4*\pi\) is too much of a stretch but there are no options closer to this value.

The likelihood of such a question in actual GMAT is not very high though it is based on very basic concepts. Also, this formula,
Leg1 * Leg2 = Altitude*Hypotenuse comes in very handy. It is something we discuss in our book and it makes complicated questions simple.

The "isosceles right triangle" part is logical deduction, getting the altitude is mechanical but splitting the altitude into r and sqrt(2)r is again logic.

Overall, a high level question. Such a question is more likely in DS format.
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If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approximate area of the largest circle that can be inscribed in this triangle?

(A) \(\pi\)

(B) \(6.3 \pi\)

(C) \(4 \pi\)

(D) \(\frac{\pi}{2}\)

(E) \(\frac{3 \pi}{2}\)


Asked: If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approximate area of the largest circle that can be inscribed in this triangle?

Largest circle is formed when the sides of right triangle are equal.
Let the sides of right triangle be x
\(x + x + x\sqrt{2} = (2 + \sqrt{2}) x = 20\)
\(\sqrt{2}(1 + \sqrt{2})x = 20\)
\(x = 10\sqrt{2}(\sqrt{2}-1)\)

To find altitude from right angle to hypotenuse.
\(x^2 = Altitude * x \sqrt{2}\)
\(Altitude = x/\sqrt{2}\)

\(Altitude = r + r\sqrt{2} = r (\sqrt{2} +1)\)

\(x/\sqrt{2} = r (\sqrt{2} +1)\)
\(10(\sqrt{2}-1) = r (\sqrt{2} +1)\)
Multiplying both sides by \((\sqrt{2}-1)\)
\(10 (2 + 1 - 2\sqrt{2}) = r\)
\(r = 10 ( 3- 2\sqrt{2})\)
Area of largest circle \(= \pi r^2 = \pi 100(9 +8 - 12\sqrt{2}) = \pi 100(17 - 12\sqrt{2}) = 2.94\pi\)

IMO C

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Since I have not included any approximations while solving this problem, the correct answer is \(2.94\pi\), I think \(3 \pi\) should have been included in the answer choices. There is a difference of >33% from the closest answer choice of \(4 \pi\)
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shreyas wrote:
If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approximate area of the largest circle that can be inscribed in this triangle?

(A) \(\pi\)

(B) \(6.3 \pi\)

(C) \(4 \pi\)

(D) \(\frac{\pi}{2}\)

(E) \(\frac{3 \pi}{2}\)


Asked: If the perimeter of a right triangle is 20 units, what is the approximate area of the largest circle that can be inscribed in this triangle?

Largest circle is formed when the sides of right triangle are equal.
Let the sides of right triangle be x
\(x + x + x\sqrt{2} = (2 + \sqrt{2}) x = 20\)
\(\sqrt{2}(1 + \sqrt{2})x = 20\)
\(x = 10\sqrt{2}(\sqrt{2}-1)\)

To find altitude from right angle to hypotenuse.
\(x^2 = Altitude * x \sqrt{2}\)
\(Altitude = x/\sqrt{2}\)

\(Altitude = r + r\sqrt{2} = r (\sqrt{2} +1)\)

\(x/\sqrt{2} = r (\sqrt{2} +1)\)
\(10(\sqrt{2}-1) = r (\sqrt{2} +1)\)
Multiplying both sides by \((\sqrt{2}-1)\)
\(10 (2 + 1 - 2\sqrt{2}) = r\)
\(r = 10 ( 3- 2\sqrt{2})\)
Area of largest circle \(= \pi r^2 = \pi 100(9 +8 - 12\sqrt{2}) = \pi 100(17 - 12\sqrt{2}) = 2.94\pi\)

IMO C

Bunuel VeritasKarishma
Since I have not included any approximations while solving this problem, the correct answer is \(2.94\pi\), I think \(3 \pi\) should have been included in the answer choices. There is a difference of >33% from the closest answer choice of \(4 \pi\)


I have given my views on this in the comment above yours.
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