blockman wrote:
Gnial wrote:
I concur with the link provided above, and I add that in my opinion, there is no better time to go to LBS. Where better to live and breathe such historic events as they unfold, learning about events as they transpire from leaders in European business and academia?
Also, the pound is so cheap!
Sure thats all fun but in the end getting a job is a goal for most, and most summer interniships are in london and at least half the class stays in London post graduation - all this is now in jeopardy.
Disagree with cheap, doesnt matter if you dont get return on your investment...lower USD salaries are going to stack up very poorly against US schools and EU schools, and quality of jobs/ applicants might drop dramatically leading to a downward spiral for LBS, i mean really, id pay double to go to HBS, cheap is irrelevant.
If you are right and the number of MBA positions do decrease in London, remember that 93% of the class comes from outside the UK and have international work experience. All the major banks and consulting companies in the world recruit heavily at LBS. I am a new admit (MBA2018) and we have already been invited to MBB and big bank recruitment events throughout the Americas (including the U.S.), Europe and Asia, and we do not even start our MBA for two months. I just attended an LBS alumni event in Western Canada with 20 alumni. I asked them directly, and none of them have business interests that are affected negatively by the Brexit vote. LBS students are trained and encouraged to be internationally flexible and mobile - international experience is a core admissions criteria - so if there is less opportunity in London, then students will find work elsewhere and be no worse off for it.
For those people who do get jobs in London, Brexit could bring many benefits. I have heard this story told by numerous banking professionals, and it goes just like it did with my friend from Citibank: He received 2 promotions in 6 months due to layoffs and employees leaving. Alex Edmans, former Wharton and current LBS professor, told a similar story in his blog post here:
https://alexedmans.com/the-rational-response-to-brexit/:
Someone on Twitter said he’s just graduated and about to start his career, and asked me what he should do differently post-Brexit. The answer is nothing. Promotion and relocation opportunities exist as they did before. The way to get promotion (hard work and initiative) is the same as before. Skilled workers can get visas and relocate. I spent 10 years in the US surrounded by others on student or worker visas like me.
I joined Morgan Stanley two months before the horrible tragedy that was 9/11. There were four rounds of major cuts in my two years there. But, this again provided opportunities. As a first-year analyst, I had no Associate and so worked directly with a VP and an MD. I went to meetings that I wouldn’t have had a hope of going to if the economy was booming and we were well staffed. Virtually any analyst that stayed for the full three years was promoted to Associate afterwards, because we had so few Associates due to the culls. For those of us who are more entrepreneurial minded, this is an amazing opportunity. With such a cheap exchange rate anyone looking to finance their startup with foreign funds just had their job get easier. Also, volatility and change breeds opportunity. For one simple example, large changes in exchange rates can create a surge in transactions that are very lucrative for the businesses and service professionals involved in those transactions. When oil prices collapsed recently and the Canadian dollar tanked, there was a massive amount of FDI into certain industries - especially into real estate. Those entrepreneurs who predicted the FDI into the real estate sector have made a huge amount of money establishing real estate finance/development/construction companies, as have the service professionals assisting with those transactions. I would not be surprised at all if London had the exact same real estate investment surge.
I feel the need to emphasize my previous post, that there is likely no better spot to be during these Brexit events than in the top business school in London. It is not about fun, it is about being on the forefront of the profound breakthroughs that happen as a result of these shifts. I was doing my undergrad degree in economics during the 2008/09 financial crisis. The level of classroom engagement and learning skyrocketed, and we had the opportunity to listen to, and discuss theory with, academic leaders who were at the forefront of some of the biggest issues. As academia was sorting through the new paradigm, the students were along for the journey. Classroom curriculum changed in real time. I emerged with a cutting edge and much deeper understanding of economic, political and business principles as a result. It does not matter what your intended vocation is, this is a rare
exponential learning opportunity (my term). It is apparent how applicable the knowledge will be over the course of your career with so many independence-minded states grappling with their own separations: Catalonia, Scotland, Italy, Greece, Quebec, Hong Kong, etc.
As for the cheapness being irrelevant, you're contradicting yourself a bit, because cost is part of the ROI analysis that you are promoting. Let me put it in perspective for you... currently the exchange rate is about 20% less than it was a few months ago. When you take into account tuition AND living costs, which could easily be 125,000 pounds over two years, that is the difference between needing to exchange US$165,000, or needing to exchange US$205,000. That saves about US$40,000. That is nothing to scoff at. Anyone looking to more permanently relocate to the UK just made an even bigger windfall. LBS average age of admits is older than the U.S. schools by a couple of years, so many students own houses and other assets abroad - this is a pretty decent chance to get into the local market should they be contemplating a more permanent move.
I have ethical concerns about Brexit due to the financial harm and human cost it will cause, but as part of the MBA selection equation, Brexit is not a negative for me. That said, if you are having trouble envisioning the opportunity of LBS for your own goals and interests, but you can see a path to personal success much more clearly at a top U.S. school, then by all means that would seem to be the best choice for you.