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livfcind wrote:
GMATNinja I'm sorry but what is 'More than likely' exactly? I've never heard it in common day to day English. It is an American idiom? Why not just say more likely?

"More than likely" is used pretty much in the same way as "likely" -- it's just a matter of how likely something is. For example:

  • "You will likely struggle to find reliable internet in that town." - You might find reliable internet, but the odds aren't in your favor.
  • "You will more than likely struggle to find reliable internet in that town." - By using "more than likely" instead of "likely", we indicate that the odds of finding reliable internet in that town are VERY low.

So it's just a matter of degree. If you want to express that the odds are VERY low, you can use "more than likely". But if you want a more tempered statement, you can just use "likely".

I hope that helps!
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According to scholars, the earliest writing was probably not a direct rendering of speech, but was more likely to begin as a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication, and only later merged with spoken language.

(A) was more likely to begin as
(B) more than likely began as
(C) more than likely beginning from
(D) it was more than likely begun from
(E) it was more likely that it began


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https://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/06/science/when-no-one-read-who-started-to-write.html

The archeologists, historians and other scholars at the meeting smiled at the absurdity of a king's writing a letter that its recipient could not read. They also doubted that the earliest writing was a direct rendering of speech. Writing more than likely began as a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication, like painting, sculpture and oral storytelling, and only later merged with spoken language.

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(1) Parallelism: X, Y, and Z; X, and Y

The sentence contains a parallel construction:

(A) writing was not a rendering, but was to begin a system, and merged
(B) writing was not a rendering, but began as a system, and merged
(C) writing was not a rendering, but beginning from a system, and merged
(D) writing was not a rendering, but it was begun from a system, and merged
(E) writing was not a rendering, but it was likely that it began a system, and merged

The structure of the first three answers requires three parallel verbs: the writing was not X, but [the writing was] Y, and [the writing] merged with Z. The middle verb should be in the simple past tense to match the first and third verbs. Only answer (B) offers this. Eliminate answers (A) and (C).

The last two answer choices change the structure; the new clause (it was) chops out the first item (was not) and reduces the sentence to a two-item list. In such a list, no comma is needed between two items (she hang and danced every day), but this sentence does contain a comma before the final item, and merged. Because of this comma, it's not acceptable to turn the original three-item list into a two-item list. Eliminate answers (D) and (E).

(2) Verb: was
Idiom: as


You might spot a couple of issues in answer (E) when examining this portion of the parallel construction: it was likely that it began a system.

First the likelihood is today, not in the past. The sentence should say it is likely, not was. Second, the writing began as a system. The word as is necessary in this idiom, but the construction is missing the word as. Eliminate answer (E).

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Correct answer (B) fixes the original parallelism error by matching was, began, and merged.



GMATNinja VeritasKarishma egmat,

How is parallelism maintained in option B?
Not X, But y is not parallel - X - Noun phrase, Y is verb phrase; how can this be correct?
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shanks2020 wrote:

GMATNinja VeritasKarishma egmat,

How is parallelism maintained in option B?
Not X, But y is not parallel - X - Noun phrase, Y is verb phrase; how can this be correct?



Hello shanks2020,
Thank you for the query. :-)

This official question seems to employ or carry the idiom not X but Y. But that is actually not the case. The sentence just carries a list that uses words such as not and but.


But before we look at the list, let's first understand what the sentence wants to convey because understanding the meaning will help us identify the list correctly.

The sentence, in essence, presents some information about the earliest writing. It says that probably, the earliest writing:

1. was not a direct manifestation of speech.
2. started as a separate symbolic system of communication.
3. later merged with the spoken language.

A closer look at these points reveals that 1. & 2. are not separate entities really. The sentence just says that A was not X but was Y. So, points 1. & 2. and point 3. make the parallel list in the sentence.

Choice B is the correct answer because this choice presents all the above-mentioned aspects. It not only clearly presents the intended meaning but also presents the intended list. The connector "and" correctly joins the verbs "was not..." and "later merged...". The connector "but" between points 1. & 2. joins the verbs "was not..." and "began".


Hope this helps. :-)
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According to scholars, the earliest writing was probably not a direct rendering of speech, but was more likely to begin as a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication, and only later merged with spoken language.

(A) was more likely to begin as
(B) more than likely began as
(C) more than likely beginning from
(D) it was more than likely begun from
(E) it was more likely that it began



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(A) was more likely to begin as

=>(more..than is a correct idiom)

(B) more than likely began as

=> Yes, the earliest writing began as a separate and distinct symbolic system


(C) more than likely beginning from

=> (But + IC) Here, the sentence uses modifier instead of clause.
=>the earliest writing did not begin from a separate and distinct symbolic system. The earliest writing was a separate and distinct symbolic system


(D) it was more than likely begun from

=>The earliest writing was...,but it was begun ..., and merged (what is the need of using it to modify the earliest writing. we can understand that the subject of the verb 'was begun' is the earliest writing)
=> 'more than likely began' is a better option

(E) it was more likely that it began

=>(more..than is a correct idiom
=> no need to use the pronoun 'it'
=>wordy
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Why is 'More likely' wrong as compared to 'More than likely'
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Why is 'More likely' wrong as compared to 'More than likely'


swim2109, they express different meanings. More likely is generally used to compare the likelihood of 2 things. More than likely is used to express the "degree" of likelihood. It just an expression that emphasis on the likelihood and means that there is a great chance of the event happening.
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How is parallelism maintained here in the context "Not X, but Y" frame?
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How is parallelism maintained here in the context "Not X, but Y" frame?

This is a common source of confusion. If you see the phrase, "not only x," you have a special parallelism trigger.

Without the "only," you don't necessarily have the same type of relationship. Consider:

    Tim was not particularly hungry, but he still managed to eat 750 deep-fried tacos in an hour. :-P


This sentence probably seems okay to you, right? You definitely would not want to think, "Well, I've got the adjective "hungry" after "not," but I have the noun "he" after "but," so this is an error."

The reason is that there doesn't have to be a parallel relationship between "not" and "but." Instead, you'd treat "but" like any conjunction and simply confirm that it connects like forms. In the example with Tim above, it seems to connect two clauses. That's fine.

In (B), "but" appears to connect the two verb phrases, "was probably not a direct rendering..." but "more than likely began." The "not" just happens to be part of one of those verb phrases. It doesn't operate the same way a "not only" phrase might, so this is okay too.

I hope that clears things up!
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Hello expert VeritasKarishma

I rejected option A on the basis of AS is not followed by a clause.
Can you throw some light on what role AS is playing in option A?

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Hello expert VeritasKarishma

I rejected option A on the basis of AS is not followed by a clause.
Can you throw some light on what role AS is playing in option A?

Thanks and regards


Hello kadamhari825,

We hope this finds you well.

Having gone through the question and your query, we believe we can resolve your doubt.

Here, "as" is part of the idiomatic construction "A ("earliest writing")...as...B ("separate and distinct symbolic system of communication")", which conveys that A plays the role of B. Thus, here it conveys that the earliest writing began in the role of a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication.

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Hello expert VeritasKarishma

I rejected option A on the basis of AS is not followed by a clause.
Can you throw some light on what role AS is playing in option A?

Thanks and regards


kadamhari825

'As' is not always used as a conjunction. It can be used as an adverb or a preposition in which case it will not have a clause after it.

'as' stands for 'in the role of' here. We use it like this quite often.

As his sister, I know him better than most others.
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Hi EducationAisle

I got the answer right but I want to clarify something in option E. I eliminated choice E because it is ungrammatical to use "it" 2 times, one time has a place holder and the other time as a pronoun referring to a noun.

Is my understanding correct ?
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Hi EducationAisle

I got the answer right but I want to clarify something in option E. I eliminated choice E because it is ungrammatical to use "it" 2 times, one time has a place holder and the other time as a pronoun referring to a noun.

Is my understanding correct ?

I am quite tempted to accept your line of thought Naman, but I generally don't prefer to approach sentence correction with such straitjacket grammar rules.

An easy way to eliminate E is on the basis of "tense": since the likelihood is being evaluated in the current timeframe, "it is more likely" would have been a much better construct.
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Hi EducationAisle

I got the answer right but I want to clarify something in option E. I eliminated choice E because it is ungrammatical to use "it" 2 times, one time has a place holder and the other time as a pronoun referring to a noun.

Is my understanding correct ?


Hello Namangupta1997,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, you are, indeed, correct; a pronoun can only have a single referent in a sentence.

Of course, a more blatant error in Option E is that it alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase "it began a separate and distinct symbolic system"; the construction of this phrase incorrectly implies that the earliest writing started a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication; the intended meaning is that the earliest writing was at the beginning a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication.

We hope this helps.
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According to scholars, the earliest writing was probably not a direct rendering of speech, but was more likely to begin as a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication, and only later merged with spoken language.

(A) was more likely to begin as
(B) more than likely began as
(C) more than likely beginning from
(D) it was more than likely begun from
(E) it was more likely that it began




Earliest writing was probably not X but Y

A ) begin in present tense and then it got merged - past tense - looks illogical
B) Looks okay - simple past began as X and later got merged
C) beginning from X ( present continuous) and got merged ( plus the meaning gets changed here) - WRONG
D) it was more than likely begun from - begun from X look bad + awkward
E) it began a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication changes the meaning altogether does not match with 'not a direct rendering of speech' meaning when we say not X but Y ; X and Y should make sense.
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didn't you missed but after comma while analysing option D? which makes it proper independent sentence GMATNinja

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Let's start by putting (A) and (B) side-by-side:

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(A) was more likely to begin as
(B) more than likely began as

The verb tense in (A) is really confusing, and it's definitely not our best option. We have three different verbs in the sentence, all of which describe "the earliest writing", which:

  • ..."was probably not a direct rendering of speech"
  • "...was more likely to begin..."
  • and "...later merged with spoken language."

That middle piece is wacky. All three of these things happened in the past, and need to be in the same version of past tense. So the underlined portion is odd: why would we say "was more likely to begin", when we could just say "more likely began as"? "Begin" is in present tense (i.e., a general characteristic), and "was more likely to begin" doesn't make much sense -- it's almost as if the earliest writing had some probabilistic quality or something, and there was a good chance that it would eventually begin "as a separate and distinct symbolic system."

That's so much messier than (B), which just says that according to scholars, it's likely that the earliest writing actually began "as a separate and distinct symbolic system."

So we can get rid of (A), and keep (B).

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(C) more than likely beginning from

There are two little problems with (C), particularly when we compare it with (B).

First, I don't know why we would switch the verb "began" to the participle "beginning", considering that the rest of the sentence features nice, simple, past tense verbs ("the earliest writing was... and later merged..." So in this sense, (B) is clearly better than (C).

The other issue is that it doesn't really make sense to say that the earliest writing was beginning "from a separate and distinct symbolic system." The earliest writing didn't evolve from some other separate and distinct system; the earliest writing WAS the separate and distinct symbolic system.

So we can ditch (C).

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(D) it was more than likely begun from

We could make a lazy argument that (D) is wordy and awkward, and that's not necessarily wrong. (D) definitely sounds like crap, and I don't think that you could ever use the phrase "was begun" in a correct sentence. At least I can't think of one.

The more concrete argument is that that parallelism is wrong in (D):

    "...the earliest writing was probably not a direct rendering of speech, it was more than likely begun from a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication, and only later merged with spoken language."

So we have a full independent clause, then another full independent clause, then an "and" followed by a verb phrase ("merged with spoken language"). That's not OK, partly because you can't just separate two independent clauses with a comma (a comma splice, if you like jargon), and partly because the "and" is followed by a verb phrase -- so the other parallel elements should also be verb phrases, not full clauses.

Plus, "from" doesn't make sense, for the same reasons as answer choice (C). See above for more on that issue.

Anyway, (D) is out.

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(E) it was more likely that it began

(E) features the same parallelism issue as (D), and that's enough by itself to eliminate (E).

Plus, there's no preposition after "began", so that tweaks the meaning: "[the earliest writing systems] began a separate and distinct symbolic system..." Huh? The writing system didn't "begin" a new symbolic system; it WAS a separate symbolic system, so we'd need to say that it "began as" a separate system.

And for bonus points, I'm not sure that there's a good reason to include an extra "it" at the beginning of the underlined portion -- it's a non-referential pronoun (classic example: "it is raining" is an acceptable sentence, but the "it" has no referent), and that's not necessarily wrong, but there's no reason to use that extra pronoun at all in this particular sentence.

So (E) is out, and we're left with (B).
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