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Without any constrains there a 5! combinations,

The constraints removes 2 degrees of freedom so 3!

the answer is 5!/3!= 5*4= 20
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Shouldn't the answer be just 6?

Considering "ABC" as one set, where have 3 things to arrange"ABC","D" and "E", which can be arranged in 6 ways

Here are the 6 sets:

D ABC E
E ABC D
D E ABC
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ssr300 wrote:
Alice, Bobby, Cindy, Daren and Eddy participate in a marathon. If each of them finishes the marathon and no two or three athletes finish at the same time, in how many different possible orders can the athletes finish the marathon so that Alice finishes before Bobby and Bobby before Cindy?

A) 18
B) 20
C) 24
D) 30
E) 36

Source - Math Revolution

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All 5 can be arranged in 5! Ways but without any conditions..
But A,B and C can be arranged in 3! Amongst themselves and ONLY one out of the 3! Will have ABC in that order amongst themselves.
So divide all by 3! \(\frac{5!}{3!}\)=20
B
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ssr300 wrote:
Alice, Bobby, Cindy, Daren and Eddy participate in a marathon. If each of them finishes the marathon and no two or three athletes finish at the same time, in how many different possible orders can the athletes finish the marathon so that Alice finishes before Bobby and Bobby before Cindy?

A) 18
B) 20
C) 24
D) 30
E) 36

Source - Math Revolution

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All 5 can be arranged in 5! Ways but without any conditions..
But A,B and C can be arranged in 3! Amongst themselves and ONLY one out of the 3! Will have ABC in that order amongst themselves.
So divide all by 3! \(\frac{5!}{3!}\)=20
B


hi chetan,

why do we need to divide by 3! ?
can you explain in more detail please.

thanks!
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chetan2u wrote:
ssr300 wrote:
Alice, Bobby, Cindy, Daren and Eddy participate in a marathon. If each of them finishes the marathon and no two or three athletes finish at the same time, in how many different possible orders can the athletes finish the marathon so that Alice finishes before Bobby and Bobby before Cindy?

A) 18
B) 20
C) 24
D) 30
E) 36

Source - Math Revolution

Please kindly explain your workings


All 5 can be arranged in 5! Ways but without any conditions..
But A,B and C can be arranged in 3! Amongst themselves and ONLY one out of the 3! Will have ABC in that order amongst themselves.
So divide all by 3! \(\frac{5!}{3!}\)=20
B


hi chetan,

why do we need to divide by 3! ?
can you explain in more detail please.

thanks!




We need to divide by 3! in order to ensure that ABC order is maintained.
If we don't divide by 3 ! then ABC will be arranged in 3! ways = BAC, CAB, CBA , etc .AND we don't want this. We just want ABC order. so In order to ensure that arrangement be only in ABC , we need to divide it by 3 !
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Shouldn't the answer be just 6?

Considering "ABC" as one set, where have 3 things to arrange"ABC","D" and "E", which can be arranged in 6 ways

Here are the 6 sets:

D ABC E
E ABC D
D E ABC
E D ABC
ABC D E
ABC E D


Question stem says , A should be before B and B should be before C. It doesnot says they all come in line.

So possible combinations:

A B C D E
A B C E D
A D B C E
A E B C D
A B D E C
A B E D C
..... and so on.

Total will be 20 possible orders.

Answer: B
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ssr300 wrote:
Alice, Bobby, Cindy, Daren and Eddy participate in a marathon. If each of them finishes the marathon and no two or three athletes finish at the same time, in how many different possible orders can the athletes finish the marathon so that Alice finishes before Bobby and Bobby before Cindy?

A) 18
B) 20
C) 24
D) 30
E) 36

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5 people A, B, C, D and E are arranged in a line. Total number of ways in which they can be arranged = 5! = 120. For example ABCDE, ABDCE, BDAEC etc. (assuming when A is written to the left of B, it means A is before B etc.)
In some of these cases, A is before B (in ABCDE), in others it is after B (in BDAEC). We need only those cases in which A is before B and B is before C.

If we were to arrange only A, B and C, we could do it in 3! = 6 ways.
ABC or BCA or CAB etc. All these cases will equally distributed among the 120 cases above since A, B and C are all equivalent elements.
Of these 6 cases, only ABC is acceptable.

Hence only 1/6th of the total 120 cases are acceptable for example ABCDE, ADBEC, EADBC are all acceptable but BACDE, CABDE etc are all not acceptable.
Hence only 20 cases are acceptable

Answer (B)

The concept is explained in detail in this blog post: https://anaprep.com/combinatorics-linea ... -symmetry/
Fundamental Counting Principle is discussed here: https://youtu.be/LFnLKx06EMU
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Re: Alice, Bobby, Cindy, Daren and Eddy participate in a marathon. If each [#permalink]
ssr300 wrote:
Alice, Bobby, Cindy, Daren and Eddy participate in a marathon. If each of them finishes the marathon and no two or three athletes finish at the same time, in how many different possible orders can the athletes finish the marathon so that Alice finishes before Bobby and Bobby before Cindy?

A) 18
B) 20
C) 24
D) 30
E) 36

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­Basically A, B and C will follow a pattern on their order of completion i.e. ABC. D and E can finish according to that.

1. ABC _ _   --> D and E can arrange themselves in 2!=2 ways.
2. AB _ _ C  --> D and E can arrange themselves in 2!=2 ways.
3. A _ _ BC  --> D and E can arrange themselves in 2!=2 ways.
4. _ _  ABC  --> D and E can arrange themselves in 2!=2 ways.
5. _ A _ B _ C _ -->total 4 spaces available out of which, 2 will be occupied by D and E i.e. 4C2 and they can arrange themselves in 2! ways i.e. 4C2*2!=12 ways.

2+2+2+2+12=20 ways. Option (B) is correct.
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