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I need to clarify a doubt in these types of questions. Firstly apologies guys for giving away too much info but it is important to clarify a doubt. If you solve the above equations you'll get 1/x+y > 1 ...so my question is why cant you solve it one step further and say is x+y < 1. Now if i follow the initial approach i get 1/3y > 1 for 1st statement so why cant we say 3y< 1. I got my ans wrong because of this . Please can some clarify if i am doing some thing conceptually wrong.
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ajit257 wrote:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x-1 + y-1)-1 > [(x-1)(y-1)]-1 ?
(1) x = 2y
(2) x + y > 0
I need to clarify a doubt in these types of questions. Firstly apologies guys for giving away too much info but it is important to clarify a doubt. If you solve the above equations you'll get 1/x+y > 1 ...so my question is why cant you solve it one step further and say is x+y < 1. Now if i follow the initial approach i get 1/3y > 1 for 1st statement so why cant we say 3y< 1. I got my ans wrong because of this . Please can some clarify if i am doing some thing conceptually wrong.
Apologies again for giving out too much.
First of all the question should be:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x^(-1) + y^(-1))^(-1) > (x^(-1)*y^(-1))^(-1) ?
Is \((x^{-1}+y^{-1})^{-1}> (x^{-1}*y^{-1})^{-1}\)?
Is \((\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y})^{-1}>(\frac{1}{xy})^{-1}\)?
Is \((\frac{x+y}{xy})^{-1}>xy\)?
Is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)?
Now, from this point you cannot divide both parts of the inequality by \(xy\) and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) (as you did), because you don't know whether \(xy\) is positive or negative: if \(xy>0\) then you should write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) BUT if \(xy<0\) then you should flip the sign and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}<1\). But even if you knew that \(xy>0\) then the next step of writing \(x+y<1\) from \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) would still be incorrect for the same exact reason: you don't k now whether \(x+y\) is positive or negative, hence you cannot multiply both sides of the inequality by \(x+y\).
Never multiply or divide inequality by a variable (or by an expression with variable) unless you are sure of its sign since you do not know whether you must flip the sign of the inequality.
Thus the question is boiled down to: is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)? Actually we can manipulate further but there is no need.
(1) x = 2y --> question becomes: is \(\frac{2y^2}{3y}>2y^2\)? Now, as we know that \(y\) is nonzero then \(2y^2>0\) and we can divide both parts by it --> is \(\frac{1}{3y}>1\)? As \(y\) is an integer (no matter positive or negative) then the answer to this question is always NO (if it's a positive integer then \(\frac{1}{3y}<1\) and if it's a negative integer then again: \(\frac{1}{3y}<0<1\)). Sufficient.
(2) x + y > 0 --> if \(x=y=1\) then the answer will be NO but if \(x=3\) and \(y=-1\) then the answer will be YES. Not sufficient.
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If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x^-1 + y^-1)^-1 > [(x^-1)(y^-1)]^-1 ? (1) x = 2y (2) x + y > 0 I'm not quite satisfied with the official answer for this question from MGMAT
The original question can be reduced to Is \(\frac{xy}{(x+y)}\) > \(xy\) ?
If Y is positive, the answer will be + -/+ --->Negative (-) If Y is negative, the answer will be + +/- --->Negative (-) Sufficient
Statement 2 x+y>0 If x = + & y = + , then \(\frac{xy}{(x+y)}\) > \(xy\) will be false If x = - & y = + , then \(\frac{xy}{(x+y)}\) > \(xy\) will be True Thus Insufficient
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I solved it this way:
from the original inequality --> is xy/y+x > xy --> is xy((1/x+y) -1) > 0? to satisfy the inequality either xy > 0 and (1/x+y)-1 > 0 or xy < 0 and (1/x+y)-1 < 0.
Notice that 1/x+y is a proper fraction. So unless x+y = 1 this expression (1/x+y) is going to be negative. If that expression is negative we want xy to be negative as well.
statement 1. x=2y --> x/y=2/1 x and y have the same sign. If x and y are negative ((1/x+y) -1) is surely negative and xy is positive. Thus the overall expression is not > 0. If x and y are positive ((1/x+y) -1) is also negative and xy is positive. Thus the overall expression is not > 0.
sufficient
statement 2. x+y >0 we don't know the exact values of x and y. Assume that x is negative and y is positive and x<y then x+y > 0 still ((1/x+y) -1) is negative and xy is negative too, making the overall expression > 0. Assume that both x and y are positive and you end up with the same scenario as statement 1. Assume that x+y=1 and the overall expression becomes 0.
not sufficient.
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Bunuel wrote:
ajit257 wrote:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x-1 + y-1)-1 > [(x-1)(y-1)]-1 ?
(1) x = 2y
(2) x + y > 0
I need to clarify a doubt in these types of questions. Firstly apologies guys for giving away too much info but it is important to clarify a doubt. If you solve the above equations you'll get 1/x+y > 1 ...so my question is why cant you solve it one step further and say is x+y < 1. Now if i follow the initial approach i get 1/3y > 1 for 1st statement so why cant we say 3y< 1. I got my ans wrong because of this . Please can some clarify if i am doing some thing conceptually wrong.
Apologies again for giving out too much.
First of all the question should be:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x^(-1) + y^(-1))^(-1) > (x^(-1)*y^(-1))^(-1) ?
Is \((x^{-1}+y^{-1})^{-1}> (x^{-1}*y^{-1})^{-1}\)? --> is \((\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y})^{-1}>(\frac{1}{xy})^{-1}\)? --> is \((\frac{x+y}{xy})^{-1}>xy\) --> is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)?
Now, from this point you cannot divide both parts of the inequality by \(xy\) and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) (as you did), because you don't know whether \(xy\) is positive or negative: if \(xy>0\) then you should write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) BUT if \(xy<0\) then you should flip the sign and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}<1\). But even if you knew that \(xy>0\) then the next step of writing \(x+y<1\) from \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) would still be incorrect for the same exact reason: you don't k now whether \(x+y\) is positive or negative, hence you can not muliply both sides of the inequality by \(x+y\).
Never multiply or divide inequality by a variable (or by an expression with variable) unless you are sure of its sign since you do not know whether you must flip the sign of the inequality.
Thus the question is boiled down to: is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)? Actually we can manipulate further but there is no need.
(1) x = 2y --> question becomes: is \(\frac{2y^2}{3y}>2y^2\)? Now, as we know that \(y\) is nonzero then \(2y^2>0\) and we can divide both parts by it --> is \(\frac{1}{3y}>1\)? As \(y\) is an integer (no matter positive or negative) then the answer to this question is always NO ( if it's a positive integer then \(\frac{1}{3y}<1\) and if it's a negative integer then again: \(\frac{1}{3y}<0<1\) ). Sufficient.
(2) x + y > 0 --> if \(x=y=1\) then the answer will be NO but if \(x=3\) and \(y=-1\) then the answer will be YES. Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
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ziyuenlau wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
ajit257 wrote:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x-1 + y-1)-1 > [(x-1)(y-1)]-1 ?
(1) x = 2y
(2) x + y > 0
I need to clarify a doubt in these types of questions. Firstly apologies guys for giving away too much info but it is important to clarify a doubt. If you solve the above equations you'll get 1/x+y > 1 ...so my question is why cant you solve it one step further and say is x+y < 1. Now if i follow the initial approach i get 1/3y > 1 for 1st statement so why cant we say 3y< 1. I got my ans wrong because of this . Please can some clarify if i am doing some thing conceptually wrong.
Apologies again for giving out too much.
First of all the question should be:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x^(-1) + y^(-1))^(-1) > (x^(-1)*y^(-1))^(-1) ?
Is \((x^{-1}+y^{-1})^{-1}> (x^{-1}*y^{-1})^{-1}\)? --> is \((\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y})^{-1}>(\frac{1}{xy})^{-1}\)? --> is \((\frac{x+y}{xy})^{-1}>xy\) --> is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)?
Now, from this point you cannot divide both parts of the inequality by \(xy\) and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) (as you did), because you don't know whether \(xy\) is positive or negative: if \(xy>0\) then you should write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) BUT if \(xy<0\) then you should flip the sign and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}<1\). But even if you knew that \(xy>0\) then the next step of writing \(x+y<1\) from \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) would still be incorrect for the same exact reason: you don't k now whether \(x+y\) is positive or negative, hence you can not muliply both sides of the inequality by \(x+y\).
Never multiply or divide inequality by a variable (or by an expression with variable) unless you are sure of its sign since you do not know whether you must flip the sign of the inequality.
Thus the question is boiled down to: is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)? Actually we can manipulate further but there is no need.
(1) x = 2y --> question becomes: is \(\frac{2y^2}{3y}>2y^2\)? Now, as we know that \(y\) is nonzero then \(2y^2>0\) and we can divide both parts by it --> is \(\frac{1}{3y}>1\)? As \(y\) is an integer (no matter positive or negative) then the answer to this question is always NO ( if it's a positive integer then \(\frac{1}{3y}<1\) and if it's a negative integer then again: \(\frac{1}{3y}<0<1\) ). Sufficient.
(2) x + y > 0 --> if \(x=y=1\) then the answer will be NO but if \(x=3\) and \(y=-1\) then the answer will be YES. Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Dear Bunuel, Could you elaborate on the highlighted sentence as I am confused with the sign
We know that y is an integer. Now, for integer y, the answer to the question whether \(\frac{1}{3y}>1\) will always be NO (no matter whether y is negative or positive). If y > 0, then \(\frac{1}{3y}<1\) and if y < 0, then again \(\frac{1}{3y}<1\).
Aside: the video below has tips on rephrasing the target question
Statement 1: \(x = 2y\)
Replace \(x\) with \(2y\) to get: Is \(\frac{(2y)y}{(2y)+y}> (2y)y\)?
Simplify to get: Is \(\frac{2y^2}{3y}> 2y^2\)?
Since \(2y^2\) must be POSITIVE, we can safely divide both sides of the inequality by \(2y^2\) to get: Is \(\frac{1}{3y}> 1\)?
IMPORTANT: Since y is an INTEGER, 1/3y will ALWAYS be less than 1. For example, if y = 1, we get: 1/3 < 1 If y = 2, we get: 1/6 < 1 If y = 3, we get: 1/9 < 1 etc. Likewise, if y is NEGATIVE, then 1/3y will always be NEGATIVE, and a negative value is always less than 1.
So, the answer to the REPHRASED target question is NO, \(\frac{xy}{x+y}\) is NOT greater than \(xy\) Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is SUFFICIENT
Statement 2: x + y > 0 Let's TEST some values. There are several values of x and y that satisfy statement 2. Here are two:
Case a: x = 2 and y = 1. Plug into REPHRASED target question to get: \(\frac{(2)(1)}{2+1}> (2)(1)\). Simplify: \(\frac{2}{3}> 2\) In this case, the answer to the REPHRASED target question is NO, \(\frac{xy}{x+y}\) is NOT greater than \(xy\)
Case b: x = 3 and y = -1. Plug into REPHRASED target question to get: \(\frac{(3)(-1)}{3+(-1)}> (3)(-1)\). Simplify: \(\frac{-3}{2}> -3\) In this case, the answer to the REPHRASED target question is YES, \(\frac{xy}{x+y}\) IS greater than \(xy\)
Since we cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is NOT SUFFICIENT
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Bunuel wrote:
ajit257 wrote:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x-1 + y-1)-1 > [(x-1)(y-1)]-1 ?
(1) x = 2y
(2) x + y > 0
I need to clarify a doubt in these types of questions. Firstly apologies guys for giving away too much info but it is important to clarify a doubt. If you solve the above equations you'll get 1/x+y > 1 ...so my question is why cant you solve it one step further and say is x+y < 1. Now if i follow the initial approach i get 1/3y > 1 for 1st statement so why cant we say 3y< 1. I got my ans wrong because of this . Please can some clarify if i am doing some thing conceptually wrong.
Apologies again for giving out too much.
First of all the question should be:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is (x^(-1) + y^(-1))^(-1) > (x^(-1)*y^(-1))^(-1) ?
Is \((x^{-1}+y^{-1})^{-1}> (x^{-1}*y^{-1})^{-1}\)? --> is \((\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y})^{-1}>(\frac{1}{xy})^{-1}\)? --> is \((\frac{x+y}{xy})^{-1}>xy\) --> is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)?
Now, from this point you cannot divide both parts of the inequality by \(xy\) and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) (as you did), because you don't know whether \(xy\) is positive or negative: if \(xy>0\) then you should write \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) BUT if \(xy<0\) then you should flip the sign and write \(\frac{1}{x+y}<1\). But even if you knew that \(xy>0\) then the next step of writing \(x+y<1\) from \(\frac{1}{x+y}>1\) would still be incorrect for the same exact reason: you don't k now whether \(x+y\) is positive or negative, hence you can not muliply both sides of the inequality by \(x+y\).
Never multiply or divide inequality by a variable (or by an expression with variable) unless you are sure of its sign since you do not know whether you must flip the sign of the inequality.
Thus the question is boiled down to: is \(\frac{xy}{x+y}>xy\)? Actually we can manipulate further but there is no need.
(1) x = 2y --> question becomes: is \(\frac{2y^2}{3y}>2y^2\)? Now, as we know that \(y\) is nonzero then \(2y^2>0\) and we can divide both parts by it --> is \(\frac{1}{3y}>1\)? As \(y\) is an integer (no matter positive or negative) then the answer to this question is always NO (if it's a positive integer then \(\frac{1}{3y}<1\) and if it's a negative integer then again: \(\frac{1}{3y}<0<1\)). Sufficient.
(2) x + y > 0 --> if \(x=y=1\) then the answer will be NO but if \(x=3\) and \(y=-1\) then the answer will be YES. Not sufficient.
Answer: A.
Hi
Liked how easy your solution is
I have a silly doubt/clarification that I need to seek, while solving the question I arrived at 2y^2/3y but I further simplified it to 2y/3>2y^2, I wanted to ask the following: Is this step conceptually correct? I assumed values for Y (positive and negative) and therefore A wasn't sufficient. Would request experts to highlight the gap in my understanding
EDIT- After posting my query I realized the operation has to be the same on both sides of the inequality so even if I consider the case 2y/3>2y I will still arrive that A is not sufficient. Please address where I am going wrong. Thanks
I need to clarify a doubt in these types of questions. Firstly apologies guys for giving away too much info but it is important to clarify a doubt. If you solve the above equations you'll get 1/x+y > 1 ...so my question is why cant you solve it one step further and say is x+y < 1. Now if i follow the initial approach i get 1/3y > 1 for 1st statement so why cant we say 3y< 1. I got my ans wrong because of this . Please can some clarify if i am doing some thing conceptually wrong.
Apologies again for giving out too much.
----- Hello everyone,
I learnt a concept of solving the inequalities through graphs. I had read this concept from Veritas prep PDF - Axis III. But when I applied the concept over the above question, I did not get the same answer. Can someone please clarify this question through graphs.
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ajit257 wrote:
If x and y are nonzero integers, is \((x^{-1}+y^{-1})^{-1}> (x^{-1}*y^{-1})^{-1}\)?
(1) x = 2y
(2) x + y > 0
At times the question are better solved without any changes to the original part.
(1) x = 2y Substitute x=2y in \((x^{-1}+y^{-1})^{-1}> (x^{-1}*y^{-1})^{-1}\) \(((2y)^{-1}+y^{-1})^{-1}> ((2y)^{-1}*y^{-1})^{-1}\) \((2^{-1}+1^{-1})^{-1}*(y^{-1})^{-1}> (2y)^{-1*-1}*y^{-1*-1}\) \((\frac{3}{2})^{-1}*y>2y^2\) \((\frac{2}{3})*y>2y^2\) \(y>3y^2\) So the question becomes: Is \(y>3y^2\) \(3y^2\) will always be positive and greater than y, when y is a non zero integer. Sufficient
(2) x + y > 0 There are infinite values that can fit in. Only values that will not fit in is when both are negative.
(a) Take x=2 and y=1 \((2^{-1}+(1)^{-1})^{-1}> (2^{-1}*(1)^{-1})^{-1}…………….\frac{1}{2}+1>\frac{1}{2}*1……………..\frac{3}{2}>\frac{1}{2}\)……….YES
(b) Take x=2 and y=-1 \((2^{-1}+(-1)^{-1})^{-1}> (2^{-1}*(-1)^{-1})^{-1}……………\frac{1}{2}-1>\frac{1}{2}*-1……………….\frac{-1}{2}>\frac{-1}{2}\)……….NO
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