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Many athletes develop poor fundamentals when trying to compensate from an injury, but they can correct these fundamentals with hard work and dedication.

A) but they can correct these fundamentals
B) but are correctable
C) but they can correct them
D) which can be corrected
E) but these fundamentals can be corrected.
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Updated on: 27 Sep 2005, 07:51
I choose A.
Although C sounds ok, the usage of "them" instead of " these fundamentals" together with the subject " they" of the clause causes confusion.

Originally posted by laxieqv on 27 Sep 2005, 07:45.
Last edited by laxieqv on 27 Sep 2005, 07:51, edited 1 time in total.
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27 Sep 2005, 09:43
gmataquaguy wrote:
Many athletes develop poor fundamentals when trying to compensate from an injury, but they can correct these fundamentals with hard work and dedication.

A) but they can correct these fundamentals
B) but are correctable
C) but they can correct them
D) which can be corrected
E) but these fundamentals can be corrected.

(A) is my favorite choice because it sounds direct and specific. (B) - what are correctable? Athletes or fundamentals? There is no reference. (C) - this is my third favorite choice, but the use of they and them to refer to athletes and fundamentals is not as clear and direct as the references used in (A). (D) - has which referring to the injury, suggesting that the injury can be corrected rather than the fundamentals. (E) is passive.
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27 Sep 2005, 20:06
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actually E is wrong, it implies that hard work and dedication correct these bad fundementals...infact its the players who correct these fundementals...by working hard and with dedication...

A is fine..
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30 Sep 2005, 12:52
not only is E passive, but also it uses misplaced modifier.

So A is the only correct choice.
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13 Aug 2013, 06:23
I am stuck between A and E.

My thought process was that:

For option A, though it seemed clean, I was not very sure if I can attribute "they" to "athletes". I understand that according to the meaning, "they" has to be referred to "athletes" but I wasn't sure of it.

For option E, I felt there is no ambiguity but I failed to realize that there is no subject "corrected by athletes".

My question is regarding the option A:

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Many athletes develop poor fundamentals when trying to compensate from an injury, but they ...

In the above sentence, will GMAT consider the pronoun "they" as ambiguous or not?
Because there are a set of books that say that because "they" is the subject in the second clause it has to refer to the subject "athletes" of the first clause.

Is this the right way to think about "they" on the GMAT ??
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13 Aug 2013, 07:22
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gmatter0913 wrote:
I am stuck between A and E.

My thought process was that:

For option A, though it seemed clean, I was not very sure if I can attribute "they" to "athletes". I understand that according to the meaning, "they" has to be referred to "athletes" but I wasn't sure of it.

For option E, I felt there is no ambiguity but I failed to realize that there is no subject "corrected by athletes".

My question is regarding the option A:

Quote:
Many athletes develop poor fundamentals when trying to compensate from an injury, but they ...

In the above sentence, will GMAT consider the pronoun "they" as ambiguous or not?
Because there are a set of books that say that because "they" is the subject in the second clause it has to refer to the subject "athletes" of the first clause.

Is this the right way to think about "they" on the GMAT ??

yes you are right.
see the excerpt from MANHATTAN SC GUIDE:

a) Sometimes (though not always), pronouns show a tendency to refer to nouns in the same case, especially when they are embedded in parallel structures. In particular, a pronoun in subject position in one clause may often be presumed to refer to the subject of a parallel clause, even if that subject is relatively far away.

Supernovas destroy their immediate environments in vast explosions,BUT by synthesizing heavy chemical elements, THEY provide the universe with the possibility of biochemistry-based life as we know it.

Supernovas is the subject of the first clause. The they is also in subject position in the second clause, which is parallel to the first clause. Eventhough there are at least two closer possible antecedents (environments and explosions), we know that they clearly refers to supernovas.

SO basing above and analysing official question you can take this:
If there is and/but/although in a sentence ,then the pronouns refer to first noun or the main subject.
example: Although Mary is younger than Susan ,she is more mature.(she = MARY)
The dog tried to hide under the table ,but it was found.(IT = DOG)

NOTE: this is not claim but no official qusetion i have found which has negated this.

hope this helps.
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13 Aug 2013, 09:15

Need your help on the below problem.

Researchers are studying plastics that dissolve at different rates, and they are finding that the so-called "quick disintegration" plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than they originally seemed.

A. they originally seemed
B. they seemed originally
C. it seemed that they would originally
D. it originally seemed
E. it originally seemed they would <--- OA

I thought there is a rule that all the references of "they" should be to the same precedent?

In option E, I was confused about what is the precedent for "they"? Is it referring to researchers/plastics/"q d" plastics?

I thought option E is ambiguous. The OA explanation doesn't talk about the pronoun ambiguity.
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13 Aug 2013, 09:29
Hi blueseas,

Thanks for the last bit.

I hope to include it in my notes.

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gmatter0913 wrote:

Need your help on the below problem.

Researchers are studying plastics that dissolve at different rates, and they are finding that the so-called "quick disintegration" plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than they originally seemed.

A. they originally seemed
B. they seemed originally
C. it seemed that they would originally
D. it originally seemed
E. it originally seemed they would <--- OA

I thought there is a rule that all the references of "they" should be to the same precedent?

In option E, I was confused about what is the precedent for "they"? Is it referring to researchers/plastics/"q d" plastics?

I thought option E is ambiguous. The OA explanation doesn't talk about the pronoun ambiguity.

hi gmatter,

PRONOUN RULE IS NOT THE ABSOLUTE RULE.(As per RON)
(note: i am not saying about pronun number rule)
always use PRONOUN RULE as the last weapon of your arsenal in order to eliminate any answer choice.

now since in this question meaning wise LAST USE OF THEY should refer to PLASTICS hence the use of they is correct.

please find the attched file for better understanding.

hope it helps
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Pronoun Ambiguity %28by Ron Purewal%29.docx [423.2 KiB]

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13 Aug 2013, 13:18
I was going through the e-gmat free session on Pronouns. e-gmat quotes the following sentence:

Quote:
Sam called Joe several times while he was in Peru.

e-gmat says that the usage of "he" is ambiguous as it can refer to Sam or Joe.

But, I thought that "he" will refer to the subject "Sam" of the first clause.
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14 Aug 2013, 22:21
gmatter0913 wrote:
I was going through the e-gmat free session on Pronouns. e-gmat quotes the following sentence:

Quote:
Sam called Joe several times while he was in Peru.

e-gmat says that the usage of "he" is ambiguous as it can refer to Sam or Joe.

But, I thought that "he" will refer to the subject "Sam" of the first clause.

No, he can't refer to the subject of the sentence because he can refer to either Sam or Joe. Though he can refer to sam if the sentence is written in this way
Sam called Joe several times. He was in Peru.
Here he refers to Sam
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