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What is the OA?

I'm going with C since that's the only one that makes sense.
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Glaciers form when the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being lost through evaporation or meting.

A. the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being
Capable of being sound wordy and redundant
B. a given climatic region's fallen snow, sleet, and hail exceeds the amount able to be
Possessive noun are not preffered , and it changes meaning
C. the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls in a given climatic region exceeds the amount
Correct usage of that and verb noun agreement is also met falls, exceeds metw ith amount of x,y,z
D. the snow, sleet, and hail falling in a given climatic region exceeds the amount able to be
unnecessary usage of continuous present
E. a given climatic region exceeds the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls and cannot be
completlet changed meaning
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thats totally meaning based question , I liked it please post the OE
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Very good question Archit. I feel this one is GMAT like question. Does it come from OG?

I picked C because "the amount of X, Y and Z exceeds the amount lost......"

We cannot compare the snow, sleet and hail with the amount ==> A, D are out.
We cannot compare a given climatic region with the amount ==> B, E are out.

Only C is correct.
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Glaciers form when the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being lost through evaporation or meting.

A. the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being ...[amount compared with snow, incorrect usage of plural in the verb]

B. a given climatic region's fallen snow, sleet, and hail exceeds the amount able to be ....[same as the first]

C. the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls in a given climatic region exceeds the amount [the parallelism here is correct: the amount is compared with the amount]

D. the snow, sleet, and hail falling in a given climatic region exceeds the amount able to be [again, snow is compared with amount]

E. a given climatic region exceeds the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls and cannot be [this one is obviously incorrect because the amount in the second tense is compared to a climatic region!]
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Glaciers form when the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being lost through evaporation or meting.

A. the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being
Terribly awkward : "the amount is capable of being lost" as if the amount has a capability of its own to do something (in this case, "being lost")

B. a given climatic region's fallen snow, sleet, and hail exceeds the amount able to be
Sub (fallen snow, sleet and hail) does NOT agree in number with Verb (exceeds)

C. the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls in a given climatic region exceeds the amount
Perfect !! Notice the use of ellipses ....

D. the snow, sleet, and hail falling in a given climatic region exceeds the amount able to be
Sub (the snow, sleet and hail) does NOT agree in number with Verb (exceeds)

E. a given climatic region exceeds the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls and cannot be
Region exceeds the amount of snow, sleets and hails that falls !!!
Region illogically compared with the amount of x,y,z !!!
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Based on the comparison, I know C is the only correct answer, yet I am still confused about what falls in the region. THE AMOUNT or SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL? According to my knowledge, the answer is SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL - snow, sleet and hail, not the amount, falls in the region. Because of the "fallS", snow, sleet and hail is thought to be singular; can I view "snow sleet and hail" as a set, like a knife and fork.

Additionally, a friend of mine faced the problem of "snow and hail" when taking exam. He chose plural.
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Based on the comparison, I know C is the only correct answer, yet I am still confused about what falls in the region. THE AMOUNT or SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL? According to my knowledge, the answer is SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL - snow, sleet and hail, not the amount, falls in the region. Because of the "fallS", snow, sleet and hail is thought to be singular; can I view "snow sleet and hail" as a set, like a knife and fork.

Additionally, a friend of mine faced the problem of "snow and hail" when taking exam. He chose plural.
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Hi ChineseGMAT ,

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The amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls in a given climatic region exceeds the amount

Look at the demonstrative pronoun that. It is joined with hail and is modifying the hail.

You can see that the verb used after that is plural. This confirms that we are talking about hail when we are saying "that falls in a given climatic region".

So, it is not the amount but the hail that falls.

Also, the amount exceeds is used perfectly in C. Hence, C is the best answer here.
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Based on the comparison, I know C is the only correct answer, yet I am still confused about what falls in the region. THE AMOUNT or SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL? According to my knowledge, the answer is SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL - snow, sleet and hail, not the amount, falls in the region. Because of the "fallS", snow, sleet and hail is thought to be singular; can I view "snow sleet and hail" as a set, like a knife and fork.

Additionally, a friend of mine faced the problem of "snow and hail" when taking exam. He chose plural.
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In my opnion, your argument makes sense. Nonetheless, in GMAT a wrong answer would generally not be distiguished from a right answer only because of such dubious issues - there would be a conclusive fault to eliminate a wrong answer.
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Glaciers form when the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being lost through evaporation or meting.

A. the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being

B. a given climatic region's fallen snow, sleet, and hail exceeds the amount able to be

C. the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls in a given climatic region exceeds the amount

D. the snow, sleet, and hail falling in a given climatic region exceeds the amount able to be

E. a given climatic region exceeds the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls and cannot be

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X exceeds Y..
here x and y shud be compared properly and parallel too

ans C does it,,,,
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Based on the comparison, I know C is the only correct answer, yet I am still confused about what falls in the region. THE AMOUNT or SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL? According to my knowledge, the answer is SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL - snow, sleet and hail, not the amount, falls in the region. Because of the "fallS", snow, sleet and hail is thought to be singular; can I view "snow sleet and hail" as a set, like a knife and fork.

Additionally, a friend of mine faced the problem of "snow and hail" when taking exam. He chose plural.
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IMO, snow and sleet can be treated as -> "salt and water" that is material Noun and should be used as Singular. Hence option C makes perfect sense.

Your Kudos motivates me to put forward my view.

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The point of this sentence is to explain the ratio of precipitation to loss of moisture that causes glaciers to form in a given climatic region. Some versions of the sentence obscure this explanation by introducing the climatic region into the ratio.

A. The phrase capable of being is excessively wordy. It introduces unnecessary ambiguity to the sentence, raising the possibility that a similar amount of water may or may not be lost through evaporation or melting. Comparison of precipitation forms with amount is illogical.
B. Able to be causes similar problems as capable of being in A. As in A, this has a similarly illogical comparison of precipitation forms.
C. Correct. This sentence makes the logical comparison between amounts of precipitation that fall and amounts that evaporate or melt.
D. The phrase able to be is wordy and ambiguous as in A and B. As in A, this has a similarly illogical comparison of precipitation forms.
E. This sentence makes the illogical comparison between a region and an amount of precipitation that falls. The verb cannot be has no logical subject. The double negative exceeds the amount that cannot be lost is confusing at best.

The correct answer is C.
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Glaciers form when the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being lost through evaporation or meting.

A. the snow, sleet, and hail that fall in a given climatic region exceed the amount capable of being

B. a given climatic region's fallen snow, sleet, and hail exceeds the amount able to be

C. the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls in a given climatic region exceeds the amount

D. the snow, sleet, and hail falling in a given climatic region exceeds the amount able to be

E. a given climatic region exceeds the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls and cannot be

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OFFICIAL EXPLANATION - GMATPREP:

Logical predication; Idiom

The point of this sentence is to explain the ratio of precipitation to loss of moisture that causes glaciers to form in a given climatic region. Some versions of the sentence obscure this explanation by introducing the climatic region into the ratio.

A. The phrase capable of being is excessively wordy. It introduces unnecessary ambiguity to the sentence, raising the possibility that a similar amount of water may or may not be lost through evaporation or melting. Comparison of precipitation forms with amount is illogical.
B. Able to be causes similar problems as capable of being in A. As in A, this has a similarly illogical comparison of precipitation forms.
C. Correct. This sentence makes the logical comparison between amounts of precipitation that fall and amounts that evaporate or melt.
D. The phrase able to be is wordy and ambiguous as in A and B. As in A, this has a similarly illogical comparison of precipitation forms.
E. This sentence makes the illogical comparison between a region and an amount of precipitation that falls. The verb cannot be has no logical subject. The double negative exceeds the amount that cannot be lost is confusing at best.

The correct answer is C.
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Hi Experts,

I have a question on C.

Why "falls" in the sentence
"the amount of snow, sleet, and hail that falls in a given climatic region exceeds the amount" is correct?

"falls" here need to modify "snow , sleet and hail" , which are plural.
I don't think that falls should modify "amount" because it is illogical; the amount that falls ...

Please correct me.
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Hi! I know that falls is correct in C because it refers to AMOUNT. But what about the fall in A, is it correct? I'm not sure if the THAT refers to hail only (in which case fall is incorrect) or the combo "snow,sleet and hail"
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Hi! I know that falls is correct in C because it refers to AMOUNT. But what about the fall in A, is it correct? I'm not sure if the THAT refers to hail only (in which case fall is incorrect) or the combo "snow,sleet and hail"

Hello, patto. In option (A), snow, sleet, and hail is treated as a compound subject, so fall is an appropriate verb agreement, no different from saying, The coua, fossa, and indri that are (not is) endemic to Madagascar... The article the does not alter the subject-verb agreement. Meanwhile, amount in (C) is treated as a singular entity in the sentence, so falls is an appropriate verb, as though the author were conveying information about the amount of each of these types of precipitation.

I hope that helps. If you need further clarification, feel free to ask.

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