Some dairy farmers in the province of Takandia want to give : Critical Reasoning (CR)

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22 Jun 2015, 08:46

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Really good question from the new OG. I notice how the questions itself (and based on what i am reading online) are more sophisticated than in the past

back to the question.

You may consider this question "complete the blank" as a strenghtening question in this case

The core of the question is this sentence

For this reason Takandia’s legislature is considering a measure requiring milk from cows given the hormone to be labeled as such.

A) if we have the method to trace the hormaone or not is not our concern

B) what will do the farmers in a foresable future is not what we are looking for

C) Wins. How we can (farmers) lose customers: only if the cows that produce good milk are labeled as ill cows, full of hormones

D) the number of people that do know about the ban or not is not the problem, actually

E) looks and tastes milk............is not related to our labeled milk if it is good or not.

Hope this helps

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22 Jun 2015, 10:03

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Hello,

I think analysis is wrong. See how:

Premise1: Farmers wanted to use synthetic hormones that are not favored by consumers

Premise2: Legislators want to favor consumers by clearly labeling the milk starting "milk contain synthetic hormones"

Conclusion: This measure even if defeated would have desired effect (from legislator perspective i.e. customers do not buy milk with synthetic hormone or dairy farmers will loose customers)???

So here the author states that if the measure (labeling appropriately) is UNSUCESSFUL then still it will have desired outcome (favor consumers from consuming milk containing synthetic hormones). What could be the possible reason for that:

Well if the milk "not containing the synthetic hormones" is labeled as such then consumers will be aware of milk containing the synthetic hormones because the later could not be labeled.

Hope it helps.

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23 Jun 2015, 02:49

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Hi Ian,

glad to see you once again here on the board. I always like your cutting edge explanations. Moreover, I agree with you, my mistake in C explanation.

Actually, I thought the other way around, reading not very carefully

However, this demonstrates how is possible to pick the right one if you understand the gist of the question, indeed. That's because GMAC questions have consistency.

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23 Jun 2015, 13:01

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carcass wrote:

Hi Ian,

glad to see you once again here on the board. I always like your cutting edge explanations.

Thanks carcass - good to see you too, and I hope everything's going well!

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29 Nov 2016, 13:40

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What about answer choice D. If the legislation has been widely publicized, that means consumers will not purchase the milk labelled.
Also - what does it mean to say - if the measure is defeated? Does it mean the bill was NOT implemented of it was implemented but it failed.

If the later is true, then D can be correct because if everyone knows the hormone milk will be labelled, they won't consume it and thus farmers will lose customers

WillGetIt wrote:

Hello,

I think analysis is wrong. See how:

Premise1: Farmers wanted to use synthetic hormones that are not favored by consumers

Premise2: Legislators want to favor consumers by clearly labeling the milk starting "milk contain synthetic hormones"

Conclusion: This measure even if defeated would have desired effect (from legislator perspective i.e. customers do not buy milk with synthetic hormone or dairy farmers will loose customers)???

So here the author states that if the measure (labeling appropriately) is UNSUCESSFUL then still it will have desired outcome (favor consumers from consuming milk containing synthetic hormones). What could be the possible reason for that:

Well if the milk "not containing the synthetic hormones" is labeled as such then consumers will be aware of milk containing the synthetic hormones because the later could not be labeled.

Hope it helps.

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cuhmoon, if the legislation is defeated, that means it does not receive enough votes to be enacted. In that case, none of the milk would be labeled, and consumers would have no way to identify which milk to avoid, regardless of how much attention the legislation itself might have received. To conclude otherwise, we'd have to know that the specific brands of milk to be labeled were actually named in the legislation. However, there's no indication that this is the case.

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25 Mar 2017, 12:08

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The implications of the prompt are that labeling the milk from cows given the hormone would cause the farmers who use the hormone to lose customers. To fill the blank we need to find something that will result in their losing customers even without the legislation.

A it has not been proven that any trace of the synthetic hormone exists in the milk of cows given the hormone

This does not give customers reason or a way to avoid milk from cows given the hormone.

B some farmers in Takandia who plan to use the synthetic hormone will probably not do so if the measure were passed

This says what will happen if the legislation is passed rather than what will happen if it is not.

C milk from cows that have not been given the synthetic hormone can be labeled as such without any legislative action

Ah, so even if the milk from cows given the hormone is not labeled as such, the milk from cows not given the hormone can still be labeled as such, creating a way for customers to differentiate between the two and avoid the milk from the cows given the hormone. So the farmers using the hormone would still lose customers.

D. the legislature’s consideration of the bill has been widely publicized

This is interesting, because the publicity likely increases customer awareness of the use of the hormone, but this does not show how customers would be able to differentiate between the two types of milk.

E milk that comes from cows given the synthetic hormone looks and tastes the same as milk from cows that have not received the hormone

What this is saying is that without labeling customers would have difficulty knowing which milk is which. So this does not show how or why they would avoid the milk from cows given the hormone.

Since it shows how customers could differentiate between the two types of milk even if the legislation were not to get passed, the best answer is C.

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06 Jul 2018, 23:28

I have a question>>
are we assuming that the hormone full farmers cannot mislabel their product? As there is no legislation on labelling for any of the two types , it is possible for the farmers to mislabel easily. PLz explain

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06 Jul 2018, 23:48

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AdityaHongunti wrote:

I have a question>>
are we assuming that the hormone full farmers cannot mislabel their product? As there is no legislation on labelling for any of the two types , it is possible for the farmers to mislabel easily. PLz explain

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We have to limit ourselves to the para at hand. It nowhere claims that there could be cheating.
When it says that legislation, requiring them to mark hormone milk as such, would result in loss of revenues of these dairy farmers, the para believes that these farmers would mark their milk as hormone milk, SO para does not assume that these farmers will be unfair and not mark their product.
we too can believe in similar line as we have to go as per the info of para.

Yes, in real life scenario, you can doubt even the legislation making any impact because of the rampant malpractices.

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16 Oct 2018, 03:28

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Argument Construction

Situation Some dairy farmers in a province want to give their dairy cows a synthetic hormone, but many people in the province do not want to buy milk that is from cows given the hormone. The provincial legislature is considering a measure requiring milk from cows given the hormone to be labeled as such.

Reasoning What would be a reason to believe that dairy farmers who use the hormone will lose customers even if the measure is defeated? If the measure passes, the dairy farmers who give cows the hormone may lose the many customers who do not want to buy such milk. If the measure is defeated, then milk produced with the hormone will not have to be labeled.so what would lead one to believe that hormone-using farmers would nevertheless lose customers? A statement that provides an answer to this question would logically complete the argument.

Option C is Correct: If the measure is defeated, the milk produced by farmers who avoid using the hormone would likely gain a market advantage if the milk was labeled as produced without use of the hormone. As a result, dairy farmers who use the hormone would probably lose customers.

Why others are incorrect:

Option A is incorrect: At best, this lack of proof might mitigate hormone-using farmers' loss of customers, whatever the outcome of the legislature's consideration of the measure.

Option B is incorrect: The argument's conclusion is mainly about what will happen if the measure is defeated, not what will happen if it passes.

Option D is incorrect: Publicity could affect consumers' attitudes about hormone-produced milk, but if the measure is defeated and labeling practices do not change, customers would have no way of knowing which milk was produced by use of the hormone.

Option E is incorrect: This suggests that, in the absence of labeling, consumers would be unable to decide which milk was produced by use of the hormone, so dairy farmers who used the hormone would be unlikely to lose customers if the labeling measure is defeated.

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05 Jun 2019, 23:24

Hi VeritasKarishma

While I understand why option C is the correct answer I'm not able to eliminate option E because people know farmers use hormones, this fact may still create doubt, even if the measure is defeated, in the mind of people. Since, people can not distinguish between the two types of milk, they may not buy milk. Hence, there will be a drop in the sales for farmers who use hormones.

Please let me know if I'm overthinking?

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dreamofbest2020 wrote:

Hi VeritasKarishma

While I understand why option C is the correct answer I'm not able to eliminate option E because people know farmers use hormones, this fact may still create doubt, even if the measure is defeated, in the mind of people. Since, people can not distinguish between the two types of milk, they may not buy milk. Hence, there will be a drop in the sales for farmers who use hormones.

Please let me know if I'm overthinking?

thanks !

It is too much of an assumption that people will stop buying milk if they are unable to differentiate. We need to complete the sentence that "dairy farmers who use the hormones will lose customers since ..."
So we should look for an option that tells us how people may differentiate between farmers who use hormones and those who do not use hormones.

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11 Jul 2021, 16:50

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cuhmoon, if the legislation is defeated, that means it does not receive enough votes to be enacted. In that case, none of the milk would be labeled, and consumers would have no way to identify which milk to avoid, regardless of how much attention the legislation itself might have received. To conclude otherwise, we'd have to know that the specific brands of milk to be labeled were actually named in the legislation. However, there's no indication that this is the case.

Even if the measure is defeated, dairy farmers who use the hormone will probably lose customers, since __________.

change in meaning , made me choose or reject the option C.

I misunderstood the meaning .
so measure is defeated means law was not enacted. The law was failed to be implemented.
I thought the law/measure was DEFEATED as win over the measure.
The illness was defeated. means now the person is fully fine, not ill anymore.
The measure was defeated, means no more measure now. already implmented- served the purpose .

It is easy to be confused in future. How can i remember the correct meaning. Please suggest. DmitryFarber VeritasKarishma

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DmitryFarber wrote:

cuhmoon, if the legislation is defeated, that means it does not receive enough votes to be enacted. In that case, none of the milk would be labeled, and consumers would have no way to identify which milk to avoid, regardless of how much attention the legislation itself might have received. To conclude otherwise, we'd have to know that the specific brands of milk to be labeled were actually named in the legislation. However, there's no indication that this is the case.

Even if the measure is defeated, dairy farmers who use the hormone will probably lose customers, since __________.

change in meaning , made me choose or reject the option C.

I misunderstood the meaning .
so measure is defeated means law was not enacted. The law was failed to be implemented.
I thought the law/measure was DEFEATED as win over the measure.
The illness was defeated. means now the person is fully fine, not ill anymore.
The measure was defeated, means no more measure now. already implmented- served the purpose .

It is easy to be confused in future. How can i remember the correct meaning. Please suggest. DmitryFarber VeritasKarishma

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13 Jul 2021, 17:55

When we go grocery shopping, we often see products labeled as "Non-GMO". Those who care about GMO's will buy those products over the ones without the "Non-GMO" label. Therefore, products without the "Non-GMO" labeling will lose sales.

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24 Nov 2021, 10:09

I read the explanations and I know this is an OG question. I also chose the correct answer, simply because there was no better option. But I am still not convinced that this is 100% logical answer.

Please follow my logic and indicate where is my logic flawed. If the new law is not enacted by the government then ok, let's assume that natural milk will be advertised accordingly. But the argument does not indicate, that the synthetic milk will not be labeled the same way, or that labeling the synthetic milk as natural milk is prohibited. Simply stated, we are not told that the synthetic farmers won't lie and as per my understanding, we have to assume everything is possible on CR unless it is stated otherwise.

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Foreheadson wrote:

Simply stated, we are not told that the synthetic farmers won't lie and as per my understanding, we have to assume everything is possible on CR unless it is stated otherwise.

Because the closing sentence of the stem says "probably", we aren't looking for an airtight conclusion here. We're looking for a reason that "probably" explains why those farmers using the hormone will lose customers. I read an implication in the wording of C, where it says certain milk "can be labeled" to mean that other milk can't (legally, presumably), but even if one doesn't read C that way, it still provides a reason to think (assuming, as you point out, that milk producers won't label their milk fraudulently) that milk with hormone won't sell very well.

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