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3. Suppose conclusive evidence emerged that, in order to shield his audience from confusion, Plato on occasion intentionally avoided revealing complex or seemingly contradictory conclusions in his dialogues. What relevance would this information have to the passage?

A. It would weaken Giovannini‘s claim that the platonic tyrant is a paradoxical figure.
B. It would verify the author‘s assertion that Republic provides a reasonable but only partial depiction of Plato‘s conception of the tyrannical character.
C. It would weaken the author‘s major criticism of Giovannini‘s research.
D. It would weaken the author‘s assessment of Giovannini‘s work as ingenious and provocative
E. It would have no impact on the claims made in the passage


I think the answer to question 3 is C because of what author says in Para 4

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If Plato intended the conception of tyranny that appears in Republic to be somehow bound up in a paradox with the conception of tyranny in Lysis, he would presumably have hinted as much. Absent such indications, the danger is heightened that Giovannini may have invented, rather than discovered, subtle interconnections in Plato‘s thought.


Now, if its true that Plato intentionally avoided revealing such contradictory conclusions in his dialogues, then it's not right to say that Glovannini "invented" these interconnection. Hence author's criticism is weakened.

AndrewN VeritasKarishma GMATNinja can you please validate whether my reasoning is correct ?

Yes, Shrey08, I think you have it, for just the reason you have outlined. (I wish I could add something meaningful in the way of analysis, but you have zeroed in on just the right part of the passage.) Well done on a tough question.

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Re: The best-known platonic depiction of tyranny appears in Republic [#permalink]
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Spent 5 mins and got all three wrong. :?



Gladiator59 did you encounter such diffculty level of RC passage on the real GMAT ? hope my post helps :) but i definately took more time to answe questions.
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Gladiator59 did you encounter such diffculty level of RC passage on the real GMAT ? hope my post helps :) but i definately took more time to answe questions.


Not really but such a passage cannot be ruled out based on how good you are doing on the verbal section. You may end up seeing a super difficult passage towards the end if you have done brilliantly.

I will reattempt and go through your post, thank you. + 1 kudos to you for explanations.

Did you get all of them correct in the timed attempt? How much time did it take?
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I think Q3 is a poor question. The author clearly says "Absent such indications, the danger is heightened that Giovannini may have invented, rather than discovered, subtle interconnections in Plato‘s thought." This means that IF plato truly did intend to hide information, it would weaken the author's claim that Giovannini's theory is "invented" AKA original AKA ingenious...
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Hi dave13, Gladiator59

I got the first question incorrect. In fact, I most of the time falter on such questions. In 4th paragraph, author is mentioning that Giovannini‘s account complicates something... is not beyond question.. he may have invented rather than discovered something... From this, I inferred that the author is mildly criticizing...

Could you please explain how else would an author put it forward in case he has to mildly criticize something.
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Time taken 10 min 22 secs . 2/3 correct. I got the last one incorrect. I was not confident though in any questions while was attempting. Did this happen to you as well .

Now my question is although i took 6 min 54 secs to read this passage which was really way over my head, i have certain reservations for this kind of passage.

Firstly, when you encounter this kind of passage , you have a fair idea that this RC is going to be tough(Not for those whose reading is really good). Because when i was about to complete the first paragraph i had an idea that i am not getting anything out of RC(Meaning wise). But still i moved on to second para. Now i would like to ask those who are really good and could decipher this RC. What was your approach when you encountered this RC or you had a feeling that it is tough. I mean did you just go through or were you literally immersed or did you try to find the crux. I was not able to find crux mostly. I just had a little idea that they are talking about some kind of Tyrannical character put forward by few philosopher's theory.

Secondly , when you complete the passage did you have a feeling that you understood the passage and could answer most questions. Because when i completed , i was confused whether i had really understood the passage or not. I meant , what would be the intensity of the understanding that you would need for this kind of passages.

Thirdly, i know this sound cliche to ask. Any customized strategy for this kind of Passage. ? Would highly appreciate if some experts could shed some light.
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Re: The best-known platonic depiction of tyranny appears in Republic [#permalink]
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3. Suppose conclusive evidence emerged that, in order to shield his audience from confusion, Plato on occasion intentionally avoided revealing complex or seemingly contradictory conclusions in his dialogues. What relevance would this information have to the passage?

A. It would weaken Giovannini‘s claim that the platonic tyrant is a paradoxical figure.
B. It would verify the author‘s assertion that Republic provides a reasonable but only partial depiction of Plato‘s conception of the tyrannical character.
C. It would weaken the author‘s major criticism of Giovannini‘s research.
D. It would weaken the author‘s assessment of Giovannini‘s work as ingenious and provocative
E. It would have no impact on the claims made in the passage


I think the answer to question 3 is C because of what author says in Para 4

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If Plato intended the conception of tyranny that appears in Republic to be somehow bound up in a paradox with the conception of tyranny in Lysis, he would presumably have hinted as much. Absent such indications, the danger is heightened that Giovannini may have invented, rather than discovered, subtle interconnections in Plato‘s thought.


Now, if its true that Plato intentionally avoided revealing such contradictory conclusions in his dialogues, then it's not right to say that Glovannini "invented" these interconnection. Hence author's criticism is weakened.

AndrewN VeritasKarishma GMATNinja can you please validate whether my reasoning is correct ?
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