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Herself the mother of seven children, Mrs. New- land

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Herself the mother of seven children, Mrs. New- land discusses the care of infants in very helpful ways.

(A) Herself
(B) Herself being
(C) In that she is herself
(D) Because of being herself
(E) Being herself

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21 Apr 2005, 15:04
"B"....use of being is fine I think...MA these SC questions feel quite diff than official OG sentences...not sure if I am the only one.

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21 Apr 2005, 18:41
Being is fine. but I am confused between "herself being" and "being herself". I choose other one.

(E) for me .

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21 Apr 2005, 18:44
I'll go with (B), 'herself being'. I don't know which grammar rule applies here, but just feel that 'herself being' is how I would say it to another person.

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21 Apr 2005, 19:53
IMO A is just fine

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22 Apr 2005, 00:29
what's wrong with D?

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22 Apr 2005, 01:54
I will go with 'A'

Not sure if 'being' is needed because the sentence is trying to convey that she is a mother - shouldn't this be enought instead of saying she is (being) still a mother.

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22 Apr 2005, 07:10
jpv wrote:
Being is fine. but I am confused between "herself being" and "being herself". I choose other one. (E) for me .

well done jpv, stop rolling.

you are correct and pls elabroate your reasoning little more.

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22 Apr 2005, 07:11
banerjeea_98 wrote:
"B"....use of being is fine I think...MA these SC questions feel quite diff than official OG sentences...not sure if I am the only one.

agree with you. little wired.

OG problems are pretty clear and definitely easy with very exceptions.

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22 Apr 2005, 16:57
MA wrote:
you are correct and pls elabroate your reasoning little more.

We need a Participle phrase to modify the Subject (Mrs N) and Participle phrase (here Present) should begin with "being" not "herself".

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22 Apr 2005, 19:04
I think A is just short and concise as an introductory modifier but also as an appositive to "Mrs. New- land". B and E are just wordy with present continuous tense which is not necessary. C and D are plain wordy.
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24 Apr 2005, 20:44
Paul, looks like the OA is E

jpv's explanation looks correct - we need a participle to modify
Mrs New-land!

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24 Apr 2005, 21:15
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Paul, looks like the OA is E

jpv's explanation looks correct - we need a participle to modify
Mrs New-land!

I don't think we need the participle 'being'; sometimes we just need noun as the appositive to modify the subject.

In the original question, 'the mother of seven children' is the appositive of Mrs. New. 'being' is redundant

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25 Apr 2005, 05:19
Agree with chunjuwu and I believe OA is debatable. What is the source of this question?
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25 Apr 2005, 11:09
I don't quite understand why E is the OA. IMO, I will go with A

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25 Apr 2005, 13:23
jpv wrote:
MA wrote:
you are correct and pls elabroate your reasoning little more.

We need a Participle phrase to modify the Subject (Mrs N) and Participle phrase (here Present) should begin with "being" not "herself".

JPV, can your give an example or a web link for this principle. I am not following? thanks

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25 Apr 2005, 16:32
patrickpui wrote:
JPV, can your give an example or a web link for this principle. I am not following? thanks

As far as I remember, Appositives should always be treated as Paranthetical Element and we should avoid using them in the begining of the sentence. That was why I did not pick (A). I dont remember where I read that .

Will let u guys know once I get hold of it.

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25 Apr 2005, 16:39
Got it... webster:

Appositives are almost always treated as parenthetical elements.
* Calhoun's ambition, to become a goalie in professional soccer, is within his reach.
* Eleanor, his wife of thirty years, suddenly decided to open her own business.

Sometimes the appositive and the word it identifies are so closely related that the comma can be omitted, as in "His wife Eleanor suddenly decided to open her own business." We could argue that the name "Eleanor" is not essential to the meaning of the sentence (assuming he has only one wife), and that would suggest that we can put commas both before and after the name (and that would, indeed, be correct). But "his wife" and "Eleanor" are so close that we can regard the entire phrase as one unit and leave out the commas. With the phrase turned around, however, we have a more definite parenthetical element and the commas are necessary: "Eleanor, his wife, suddenly decided to open her own business." Consider, also, the difference between "College President Ira Rubenzahl voted to rescind the withdrawal policy" (in which we need the name "Ira Rubenzahl" or the sentence doesn't make sense) and "Ira Rubenzahl, the college president, voted to rescind the withdrawal policy" (in which the sentence makes sense without his title, the appositive, and we treat the appositive as a parenthetical element, with a pair of commas).

Source: http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm#3 :: Point 4

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25 Apr 2005, 18:39
jpv wrote:
patrickpui wrote:
JPV, can your give an example or a web link for this principle. I am not following? thanks

As far as I remember, Appositives should always be treated as Paranthetical Element and we should avoid using them in the begining of the sentence. That was why I did not pick (A). I dont remember where I read that .

Will let u guys know once I get hold of it.

I see... I see... Good point. If it is so, then I just learned something today
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26 Apr 2005, 19:20
MA wrote:
Herself the mother of seven children, Mrs. New- land discusses the care of infants in very helpful ways.

(A) Herself
(B) Herself being
(C) In that she is herself
(D) Because of being herself
(E) Being herself

MA what is the source of this question? Just as Paul explained "A" could stand as an answer choice as well.

Why do you need the participle "being"? Could not the phrase "herself the mother of seven children" suffice? Dont think this is an appositive coz appositive should "succeed" [not preceed] the noun it is trying to amplify.

http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/case ... ppositives

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