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Jim takes a seconds to swim c meters at a constant rate from point P to point Q in a pool. Roger, who is faster than Jim, can swim the same distance in b seconds at a constant rate. If Jim leaves point P the same time that Roger leaves point Q, how many fewer meters will Jim have swum than Roger when the two swimmers pass each other? A. c(ba)/(a+b) B. c(ab)/(a+b) C. c(a+b)/(ab) D. ab(ab)/(a+b) E. ab(ba)/(a+b) Hi, I am having trouble with this question. Can you please help explain it algebraically as well as with picking numbers, thanks
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Algebraic Approach:As Jim and Roger as swimming in opposite direction we can add their rates \(Mutual speed = \frac{c}{a} +\frac{c}{b} = \frac{c(a+b)}{ab}\) \(Mutual Time\) (taken by both cross each other) = \(\frac{distance}{mutualspeed}\) = \(c/\frac{c(a+b)}{ab}\) = \(\frac{ab}{(a+b)}\) Roger's distance  Jim's distance = (Roger's rate * mutual time)  (Jim's rate * mutual time) = mutual time * (Roger's rate  Jim's rate) = \(\frac{ab}{(a+b)}\) * \((\frac{c}{b}\frac{c}{a})\) = \(\frac{ab}{(a+b)}\) * \(\frac{c(ab)}{ab}\) = \(\frac{c(ab)}{(a+b)}\) Hence answer is (B).
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Speed of Jim is c/a meter per second. Speed of Roger is c/b meter per second. Let us suppose when they both meet or cross each other Jim has covered x distance and Roger has covered cx distance. Since time taken is same, as they both started together we can have the equation:
x/(c/a) = (cx)/(c/b)
ax/c = b(cx)/c or ax = b(cx) Solving for x, x = cb/(a+b) Jim travelled, x = cb/(a+b) Roger travelled, cx = ca/(a+b) Ans: ca/(a+b)  cb/(a+b) = c(ab)/(a+b)



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Pick Numbers Approach:Pick a=15 (time taken by Jim) b=10 (time taken by Roger) c=30 (Total distance PQ) Rate for Jim = 30/15 = 2 Rate for roger = 30/10 = 3 Mutual rate = 2+3 = 5 Total time taken by both to cross each other = 30/5 = 6 Roger's distance  Jim's distance= (Roger's rate * mutual time)  (Jim's rate * mutual time) = mutual time * (Roger's rate  Jim's rate) = 6 (32) = 6Choice analysis with Plugin the numbers a=15, b=10, c=30 A. c(ba)/(a+b) = 30(5)/25= 6 (this is negative)B. c(ab)/(a+b) = 30(5)/25= 6 (this is correct)!C. c(a+b)/(ab) = 30(25)/5 = 150 (does not match with 6)D. ab(ab)/(a+b) = 150(5)/25= 30 (does not match with 6)E. ab(ba)/(a+b) = 150(5)/25= 30 (does not match with 6)
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PraPon wrote: Attachment: Pick numbers.jpg Pick Numbers Approach:Pick a=15 (time taken by Jim) b=10 (time taken by Roger) c=30 (Total distance PQ) Rate for Jim = 30/15 = 2 Rate for roger = 30/10 = 3 Mutual rate = 2+3 = 5 Total time taken by both to cross each other = 30/5 = 6 Roger's distance  Jim's distance= (Roger's rate * mutual time)  (Jim's rate * mutual time) = mutual time * (Roger's rate  Jim's rate) = 6 (32) = 6Choice analysis with Plugin the numbers a=15, b=10, c=30 A. c(ba)/(a+b) = 30(5)/25= 6 (this is negative)B. c(ab)/(a+b) = 30(5)/25= 6 (this is correct)!C. c(a+b)/(ab) = 30(25)/5 = 150 (does not match with 6)D. ab(ab)/(a+b) = 150(5)/25= 30 (does not match with 6)E. ab(ba)/(a+b) = 150(5)/25= 30 (does not match with 6)Like your explanation and pick numbers: 30 distance 3 seconds for J and 2 for R and move from here is the best approach algebra is quite painful
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carcass wrote: PraPon wrote: Attachment: Pick numbers.jpg Pick Numbers Approach:Pick a=15 (time taken by Jim) b=10 (time taken by Roger) c=30 (Total distance PQ) Rate for Jim = 30/15 = 2 Rate for roger = 30/10 = 3 Mutual rate = 2+3 = 5 Total time taken by both to cross each other = 30/5 = 6 Roger's distance  Jim's distance= (Roger's rate * mutual time)  (Jim's rate * mutual time) = mutual time * (Roger's rate  Jim's rate) = 6 (32) = 6Choice analysis with Plugin the numbers a=15, b=10, c=30 A. c(ba)/(a+b) = 30(5)/25= 6 (this is negative)B. c(ab)/(a+b) = 30(5)/25= 6 (this is correct)!C. c(a+b)/(ab) = 30(25)/5 = 150 (does not match with 6)D. ab(ab)/(a+b) = 150(5)/25= 30 (does not match with 6)E. ab(ba)/(a+b) = 150(5)/25= 30 (does not match with 6)Like your explanation and pick numbers: 30 distance 3 seconds for J and 2 for R and move from here is the best approach algebra is quite painful Thanks carcass. Yes it got much simpler with pick numbers. Algebraic approach took longer  about 2.53 mins  to plan/solve.
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samsikka23 wrote: Jim takes a seconds to swim c meters at a constant rate from point P to point Q in a pool. Roger, who is faster than Jim, can swim the same distance in b seconds at a constant rate. If Jim leaves point P the same time that Roger leaves point Q, how many fewer meters will Jim have swum than Roger when the two swimmers pass each other?
A. c(ba)/(a+b) B. c(ab)/(a+b) C. c(a+b)/(ab) D. ab(ab)/(a+b) E. ab(ba)/(a+b)
Hi, I am having trouble with this question. Can you please help explain it algebraically as well as with picking numbers, thanks OK. Unit of distance is mt. Check the unit of options only A B and C satisfies. b<a so option would be negative. Between B and C now. Educated guess is B because we have relative speed in denominator. But let me explain why..... The relative speed will be b+a for objects travelling in opposite direction. Let both of them meet in t seconds. Distance traveled is c. t = c / (c/a+c/b) = ab/(a+b). Distance traveled by jim whose speed is c/a is c/a * ab/ (a+b) = cb/(a+b) Distance traveled by roger... c/b*ab/(a+b) = ca/(a+b) Difference c*(ab)/(a+b)
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Jim Rate = c/a Roger Rate c/b b<a Combined Rate = c(a+b)/ab Time to Complete Course = c/[c(a+b)/ab] = ab/(a+b) Roger Distance  Jim Distance = [ab/(a+b)][c/b)(c/a)] = c(ab)/(a+b) B
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Abhii46 wrote: Speed of Jim is c/a meter per second. Speed of Roger is c/b meter per second. Let us suppose when they both meet or cross each other Jim has covered x distance and Roger has covered cx distance. Since time taken is same, as they both started together we can have the equation:
x/(c/a) = (cx)/(c/b)
ax/c = b(cx)/c or ax = b(cx) Solving for x, x = cb/(a+b) Jim travelled, x = cb/(a+b) Roger travelled, cx = ca/(a+b) Ans: ca/(a+b)  cb/(a+b) = c(ab)/(a+b) How come Roger's distance be taken as cx ? I dont see it being mentioned that distance between the two points is c.



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himanshujovi wrote: Abhii46 wrote: Speed of Jim is c/a meter per second. Speed of Roger is c/b meter per second. Let us suppose when they both meet or cross each other Jim has covered x distance and Roger has covered cx distance. Since time taken is same, as they both started together we can have the equation:
x/(c/a) = (cx)/(c/b)
ax/c = b(cx)/c or ax = b(cx) Solving for x, x = cb/(a+b) Jim travelled, x = cb/(a+b) Roger travelled, cx = ca/(a+b) Ans: ca/(a+b)  cb/(a+b) = c(ab)/(a+b) How come Roger's distance be taken as cx ? I dont see it being mentioned that distance between the two points is c. Jim takes a seconds to swim c meters at a constant rate from point P to point Q in a pool.
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time to passing = c/(c/a+c/b) ➔ ab/a+b time x rate difference = (ab/a+b)(c/bc/a) ➔ c(ab)/a+b



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samsikka23 wrote: Jim takes a seconds to swim c meters at a constant rate from point P to point Q in a pool. Roger, who is faster than Jim, can swim the same distance in b seconds at a constant rate. If Jim leaves point P the same time that Roger leaves point Q, how many fewer meters will Jim have swum than Roger when the two swimmers pass each other?
A. c(ba)/(a+b) B. c(ab)/(a+b) C. c(a+b)/(ab) D. ab(ab)/(a+b) E. ab(ba)/(a+b) We are given that Jim takes a seconds to swim c meters. Since rate = distance/time, Jim’s rate is c/a. We are also given that Roger can swim c meters in b seconds. Roger’s rate = c/b. Since Jim leaves point P at the same time Roger leaves point Q, we can let t = the time it takes them to pass each other, and we can use the following formula: distance of Jim + distance of Roger = total distance (c/a)t + (c/b)t = c Let’s multiply both sides of the equation by ab: bct + act = abc Now divide both sides of the equation by c and solve for t: bt + at = ab t(b + a) = ab t = ab/(a +b) In t seconds (when they pass each other), Roger has swum (c/b)[ab/(a +b)] = ac/(a + b) meters and Jim has swum (c/a)[ab/(a +b)] = bc/(a + b) meters. Therefore, the difference between the distances swum is: ac/(a + b)  bc/(a + b) = (ac  bc)/(a + b) = c(a  b)/(a + b) Answer: B
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samsikka23 wrote: Jim takes a seconds to swim c meters at a constant rate from point P to point Q in a pool. Roger, who is faster than Jim, can swim the same distance in b seconds at a constant rate. If Jim leaves point P the same time that Roger leaves point Q, how many fewer meters will Jim have swum than Roger when the two swimmers pass each other?
A. c(ba)/(a+b) B. c(ab)/(a+b) C. c(a+b)/(ab) D. ab(ab)/(a+b) E. ab(ba)/(a+b)
Hi, I am having trouble with this question. Can you please help explain it algebraically as well as with picking numbers, thanks OA:B Average speed of Jim \(Av_{Jim}:\frac{c}{a}\) Average speed of Roger \(Av_{Roger}:\frac{c}{b}\) Relative speed of Jim with respect to Roger :\(Av_{Jim}+Av_{Roger}\)(as they are swimming towards each other) \(= \frac{c}{a} +\frac{c}{b}=\frac{c(a+b)}{ab}\) Time taken from when they start and when they meet in pool\(= \frac{c}{Relative speed} =\frac{c}{\frac{c(a+b)}{ab}}=\frac{ab}{(a+b)}\) Distance covered by Jim in this time \(= \frac{c}{a}*\frac{ab}{(a+b)}\) Distance covered by Roger in this time \(= \frac{c}{b}*\frac{ab}{(a+b)}\) Difference \(=\frac{c}{b}*\frac{ab}{(a+b)}\frac{c}{a}*\frac{ab}{(a+b)} =\frac{ca}{(a+b)}\frac{cb}{(a+b)}=\frac{c(ab)}{(a+b)}\)




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