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Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided on staging it himself.
(A) on staging it himself
(B) that he himself would do the staging
(C) to do the staging of the work by himself
(D) that he himself would stage it
(E) to stage the work himself

Can someone explain when should decided to and decided that be used?
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spriya wrote:
Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided on staging it himself.
(A) on staging it himself
(B) that he himself would do the staging
(C) to do the staging of the work by himself
(D) that he himself would stage it
(E) to stage the work himself

Can someone explain when should decided to and decided that be used?


If there is a clause where something that has happened in the past, and now from that point when you are looking into the future you will use conditional construction (would)

Only B and D have would here, but B has "staging" which is wrong.

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When to use "decide to" v. "decide that".

It all depends on what the mean of the sentence is.

#1 - "Jeremy decided that giving back the money he found is the right thing to do."

#2 - "Jeremy decided to give back the money he found."

In #1, Jeremy decided a THING is right. The second part of the sentence starting with "giving..." is actually a complete sentence on its own. It has a subject "giving" and a verb, "is". There are the basics for a complete sentence.

In #2, Jeremy decided he would do an action, therefor, "decided to" is correct.

Think of it this way. "That" is used when introducing a thing. See the two sentences below and how the ideas are combined into one sentence.

Jeremy got caught in traffic. Traffic was backed up due to a wreck.
Jeremy got caught in traffic that was backed up due to a wreck. (This may be a poor example as the word "which" might be better in place of "that". I hope this doesn't make it even more confusing.)

Do you see how the word "that" introduces the next idea of the second sentence? This is a method we use to create more complex sentences in writing. It can also make things more confusing.

My examples involving giving back money makes things a bit more complex because "giving" is a gerund and feels like a verb, even though it is a noun. "to give" is an infinitive and is definitely a verb, but the two can be confusing in this context. I think that may be where the confusion between "decided that" and "decided to" arises.

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Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided on staging it himself.
(A) on staging it himself"decided on" is not a correct idiom. Furthermore, "staging" as used here is being as a verb and it's a gerund, and gerunds are nouns
(B) that he himself would do the stagingAwkward. It might be correct without the word "himself", but the test makers had to add that to make it wordy.
(C) to do the staging of the work by himself"of the work" is redundant. We already know what he's planning on staging, so repeating that it's "the work" is not necessary.
(D) that he himself would stage it"he himself" is redundant and is 99.99% of time time going to be wrong (sorry didn't feel like going out on a limb on this one by saying 100% of the time.)
(E) to stage the work himself

Can someone explain when should decided to and decided that be used?

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I will go with E.

(A) on staging it himself
--"it" has no clear referent.
(B) that he himself would do the staging
--Wordy
(C) to do the staging of the work by himself
--sound like passive
(D) that he himself would stage it
--"himself" not reqd
(E) to stage the work himself

Please post correct reasoning to eliminate the wrong options

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When to use "decide to" v. "decide that".

It all depends on what the mean of the sentence is.

#1 - "Jeremy decided that giving back the money he found is the right thing to do."

#2 - "Jeremy decided to give back the money he found."

In #1, Jeremy decided a THING is right. The second part of the sentence starting with "giving..." is actually a complete sentence on its own. It has a subject "giving" and a verb, "is". There are the basics for a complete sentence.

In #2, Jeremy decided he would do an action, therefor, "decided to" is correct.

Think of it this way. "That" is used when introducing a thing. See the two sentences below and how the ideas are combined into one sentence.

Jeremy got caught in traffic. Traffic was backed up due to a wreck.
Jeremy got caught in traffic that was backed up due to a wreck. (This may be a poor example as the word "which" might be better in place of "that". I hope this doesn't make it even more confusing.)

Do you see how the word "that" introduces the next idea of the second sentence? This is a method we use to create more complex sentences in writing. It can also make things more confusing.

My examples involving giving back money makes things a bit more complex because "giving" is a gerund and feels like a verb, even though it is a noun. "to give" is an infinitive and is definitely a verb, but the two can be confusing in this context. I think that may be where the confusion between "decided that" and "decided to" arises.

spriya wrote:
Joplin’s faith in his opera “Tremonisha” was unshakable; in 1911 he published the score at his own expense and decided on staging it himself.
(A) on staging it himself"decided on" is not a correct idiom. Furthermore, "staging" as used here is being as a verb and it's a gerund, and gerunds are nouns
(B) that he himself would do the stagingAwkward. It might be correct without the word "himself", but the test makers had to add that to make it wordy.
(C) to do the staging of the work by himself"of the work" is redundant. We already know what he's planning on staging, so repeating that it's "the work" is not necessary.
(D) that he himself would stage it"he himself" is redundant and is 99.99% of time time going to be wrong (sorry didn't feel like going out on a limb on this one by saying 100% of the time.)
(E) to stage the work himself

Can someone explain when should decided to and decided that be used?

Thanks a tonne for such a detailed explanation.
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OA is E :)
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