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As pointed out in this post B and D have modifier issue. "living in two worlds" starts modifying the "Native American leaders".

Among A, C and E. The unidiomatic usage eliminates C and E. "many another" is wrong

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According to me,
Among B and D the only difference is usage of "Like" and "As with". Now "like" should be used to compare people or things or nouns. Here we are not comparing the people rather we are comparing a clause of "people living in two different worlds". Hence it should be "As with".
I would go with D.
Please let us know the OA and explanation for the same.
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So my first attempt was wrong. But, just wanted to clarify one thing here. Is the placement of ";" proper here. Can the second statement stay alone? I think I made the mistake because of that confusion also with the usage of "like". So here "Like" is comparing with people and Joseph Brant. Hence, that should be fine. But, could you please clarify about the usage of ";"?
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Indeed. Lets analyze option A

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.

Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant ---> phrase modifier, noun1 + clause1
born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he ---> phrase modifier, pronoun + clause2

clause1 and clause2 are independent sentences BUT related (he in second sentence refers to Brant) - so they should be joined by semi-colon.

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So my first attempt was wrong. But, just wanted to clarify one thing here. Is the placement of ";" proper here. Can the second statement stay alone?
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The expression ‘living in two worlds’ is wrong because, it gives a tangle as if something of the present is being compared with either an event in the past or a person of the past. This distorts the meaning of text, which wants to compare Brant with his contemporaries, people who lived around the same time of Brant. So BCD are out.

E lacks a verb for the first part of the sentence- wrong; we can’t use the conjunction 'as' without verb.

A remains.
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Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.
(A) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;
(B) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was
(C) Like many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant, living in two worlds, was
(D) As with many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was
(E) As with many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;


Answer: A

Strike one: Eliminate C and E. It should be 'others' and not 'another'.
Strike two: modifier error - 'Joseph Brant' should come right after modifier '...Native American leaders,' . Eliminates B and D.
Leaving us A as the answer.

we can use below rule (as mentioned by Temp 33) to serve as a check for correctness! :-D
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"As" is used to compare actions or clauses..
"Like" is used to compare nouns..
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Awesome ! Thanks the OA is A.

As pointed out in this post B and D have modifier issue. "living in two worlds" starts modifying the "Native American leaders".

Among A, C and E. The unidiomatic usage eliminates C and E. "many another" is wrong

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Among B and D the only difference is usage of "Like" and "As with". Now "like" should be used to compare people or things or nouns. Here we are not comparing the people rather we are comparing a clause of "people living in two different worlds". Hence it should be "As with".
I would go with D.
Please let us know the OA and explanation for the same.


Isnt living in two worlds, modifies the whole clause? ... isnt it following ,+verbing rule?
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Isnt living in two worlds, modifies the whole clause? ... isnt it following ,+verbing rule?


Hi there,

A verb-ing modifier modifies the preceding clause when it is placed after a clause and is preceded by a comma. However, in choice D, “As with many others of his generation of Native American leaders,” is not a clause. There is no verb in this phrase. In this case, the verb-ing modifier will modify the preceding noun entity “many others of his generation of Native American leaders”. I don’t say just “Native American leaders” because it is part of the big noun phrase starting with “many” and the prepositional phrases cannot be placed anywhere in the sentence.

Take for example this sentence from OG 12#21

Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are now drawing solid conclusions about how the human brain grows and how babies acquire language.

Here, “having amassed…” is a verb-ing modifier that is preceded by a comma but is placed only after a noun entity. In this case, it correctly modifies the preceding noun entity “neuroscientists”.
So we must pay heed to the placement of the verb-ing modifier. We must check whether the verb-ing modifier is placed after a clause or just a phrase. Accordingly, we must ascertain the function of the verb-ing.

Hope this helps.
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IMO A

Question :- "As with many others " is this is correct ? any possibility that this can be used anywhere from GMAT perspective ?
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Question :- "As with many others " is this is correct ? any possibility that this can be used anywhere from GMAT perspective ?


Yes.. can be used.

Consider the comparison as X, Y

It is possible that each of the parallel elements X and Y contains a prepositional phrase starting with with.

Example:

As with many others the mysterious event happened in the past few days, with me it happened yesterday night.
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I am confused here how can statement 2 stand alone. It has the construction He also....
also symbolize that there should be something else.
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I am confused here how can statement 2 stand alone. It has the construction He also....
also symbolize that there should be something else.

Something 'can stand alone' means that it can work as a grammatical sentence. So the ALSO does not mean that the second part (after the semi-colon) is not a sentence.

For example, see this: He ate some fruit. He also ate some cake.
"He also ate some cake" is a proper sentence.

You are right, when there is an ALSO then there should be something else too. That can be in an earlier sentence or in an earlier part of the same sentence. In the above example the 'something else' is that he ate fruit.

born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.
Here the 'something else' is that Chief Joseph was born into a traditional Iroquois family and was instructed in traditional Iroquois ways. In addition, he ALSO received education from English-speaking teachers.

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I am confused here how can statement 2 stand alone. It has the construction He also....
also symbolize that there should be something else.



The second independent clause starts after the underline—immediately following the semicolon—so there's no variation within it; you're definitely looking at a valid way of writing that part.

Here's that clause:
born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.

The purple idea comes first. "Also" introduces the second idea, which is green. This is the direct answer to your question.

By the way—You are really not going to see relationships that are demarcated more clearly than this. You have descriptions of language learning in 2 different languages, which are cleanly divided between left and right.

You should have ZERO trouble identifying these two parts. Any significant trouble doing so is a major red flag.
If you can't identify the purple and green ideas quickly, easily, and effortlessly, you're ignoring the meaning of the words.

Intended meaning is THE reason why sentences don't work in uniform, algorithmically predictable ways, whereas algebraic equations do—which in turn is the basis for the Q/V split into two scores.
If you ignore intended meaning (or context, which determines it), you're basically pretending that SC is a quant topic. That won't turn out well.
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born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.

The purple idea comes first. "Also" introduces the second idea, which is green. This is the direct answer to your question.





More generally, comparisons can be split across clauses as an alternative to the usual parallel forms.

E.g.,
Consumers are generally willing to pay more for a Mac with given specs than for a Windows PC with the same specs.
(Basic comparison structure: parallelism using "more... than...")

vs.
Most consumers are willing to pay up to $1000 for a Windows laptop with minimum VR specs; for a Mac with those specs, they will pay a few hundred dollars more.
(The underlined "more" means "more than $1000". You, the reader, need to make this connection on the basis of ordinary common sense, because there's no complement for "more" [e.g., "than"] this time.)

Also of note: __ED modifiers may be simultaneous with the main clause, or they may refer to an earlier timeframe.
This flexibility stands in contrast to the rigidity of __ING modifiers, which MUST be simultaneous with the main clause.

In this sentence, "born" is obviously a prior timeframe. "Instructed" is best interpreted as a prior timeframe as well—because it's in parallel with "born", but also because it's nonsense if you interpret it as simultaneous with the main clause. (In that case you'd have two completely distinct sets of language studies that share a timeframe. The way to connect independent things within one timeframe is "x AND y".)
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Please don't forget that "__ED" stands for participles that literally end in the two letters __ED, but can also stand for one of the LARGE number of such participles that are irregular (i.e.., don't literally end in __ED), such as driven, born, bitten, done, seen, etc.
In this problem, there are two participles that count as "__ED". The second one is instructed, which shouldn't stir up any trouble. The first, though, is born.
If you find it supremely awkward to call born an "__ED" participle... give it a little time and work through a couple more examples. It'll become intuitive more quickly than you might think—and it's WAY better than dumping formal grammar terminology in there instead.



Grammar terms are never your friends here. (You do need to know the basic building blocks: "noun", "adjective", "clause", etc. Grammar terms beyond that level just don't tend to be helpful; they're much more likely to be counterproductive.

E.g., "comma _ING modifier" is a great name that's perfectly descriptive. If you replace "_ING" with whatever it's called in formal grammar terminology, that's a negative value-add: The first thing you'll have to do with that name is realize that it means "_ING". Better to just start at "_ING".

Worse yet, some of the formal names tell lies. This issue mostly lurks behind tenses and timeframes, which have simplistic names that can't cover the whole range of relationships written with a given tense.
The "present tense", for instance, only falls into the present timeframe if it's used for a 'state' verb (= not an action verb, but a description of a state or condition that can last for x amount of time. E.g., "I am very happy.." does, in fact, mean that I'm happy RIGHT NOW in the present.
For action verbs, though, it's IMPOSSIBLE for the "present tense" to describe the present. (¯\_(ツ)_/¯ one would think it'd have been renamed by now, but, nope.) Action verbs in "the present tense", despite the name, are PERMANENT truths that are not tied to any timeframe or any order of events—they're true now and they'll be true forever and ever.
If you actually want to narrate an action verb as happening RIGHT NOW, the correct tense is "is/are __ING".
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Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.


(A) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;

(B) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was

(C) Like many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant, living in two worlds, was

(D) As with many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was

(E) As with many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;


Although I marked Option A as correct, I eliminated Option B as it's a comma splice. However no one has pointed the error in any explanation. We have 2 independent clause- 1. Like many others....., Joseph was born ...in Iroquois ways. 2 . he also received an education from English-speaking teachers. Am I correct?
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Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds; born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways, he also received an education from English-speaking teachers.


(A) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;

(B) Like many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was

(C) Like many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant, living in two worlds, was

(D) As with many others of his generation of Native American leaders, living in two worlds, Joseph Brant was

(E) As with many another of his generation of Native American leaders, Joseph Brant lived in two worlds;


Although I marked Option A as correct, I eliminated Option B as it's a comma splice. However no one has pointed the error in any explanation. We have 2 independent clause- 1. Like many others....., Joseph was born ...in Iroquois ways. 2 . he also received an education from English-speaking teachers. Am I correct?


Hello Abhishekgmat87,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, your observation is indeed correct.

The sentence formed by Option B does form a comma splice; "Joseph Brant was born into an Iroquois community and instructed in traditional Iroquois ways" and "he also received an education from English-speaking teachers" are both independent clauses.

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