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If sets S and T are merged into a single set, will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ? (1) S and T are oneelement sets (2) Neither set S nor set T contains negative numbers Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions SOLUTION: m24q76516.html#p1340646
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icandy wrote: If sets S and T are merged into a single set, will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ?
1. S and T are oneelement sets 2. Neither set S nor set T contains negative numbers
(C) 2008 GMAT Club  m24#33
* Statement (1) ALONE is sufficient, but Statement (2) ALONE is not sufficient * Statement (2) ALONE is sufficient, but Statement (1) ALONE is not sufficient * BOTH statements TOGETHER are sufficient, but NEITHER statement ALONE is sufficient * EACH statement ALONE is sufficient * Statements (1) and (2) TOGETHER are NOT sufficient
I will let you guys discuss this. How ever, The two Set opeartions I remember are union and intersection. How are we supposed to interpret merge. I believe two operations and "union" and "union all" > if you know ORACLE sql LANGUAGE. ( I may be wrong.. but thats what I interpret.. as IT .. nerd) e.g A ={1,3} B={1,5} Merge = {1,3,5} ( all distinct elements) avg = 3 Sum = {1,1,3,5} avg= 10/4 = 2.5 another e.g. A ={1,5} B={3,5} Merge = {1,3,5} ( all distinct elements) avg = 3 Sum = {1,3,5,5} avg= 14/4 = 3.66 I will go with E.
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Couldnt get this!! It is sum of the means of A and B. e.g A ={1,3} B={1,5} Merge = {1,3,5} ( all distinct elements) avg = 3 Sum = {1,1,3,5} avg= 10/4 = 2.5 >> cant understand this. Sum of means should be 2 + 3 = 6.May be my understanding is wrong. Please explain. x2suresh wrote: icandy wrote: If sets S and T are merged into a single set, will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ?
1. S and T are oneelement sets 2. Neither set S nor set T contains negative numbers
(C) 2008 GMAT Club  m24#33
* Statement (1) ALONE is sufficient, but Statement (2) ALONE is not sufficient * Statement (2) ALONE is sufficient, but Statement (1) ALONE is not sufficient * BOTH statements TOGETHER are sufficient, but NEITHER statement ALONE is sufficient * EACH statement ALONE is sufficient * Statements (1) and (2) TOGETHER are NOT sufficient
I will let you guys discuss this. How ever, The two Set opeartions I remember are union and intersection. How are we supposed to interpret merge. I believe two operations and "union" and "union all" > if you know ORACLE sql LANGUAGE. ( I may be wrong.. but thats what I interpret.. as IT .. nerd) e.g A ={1,3} B={1,5} Merge = {1,3,5} ( all distinct elements) avg = 3 Sum = {1,1,3,5} avg= 10/4 = 2.5 another e.g. A ={1,5} B={3,5} Merge = {1,3,5} ( all distinct elements) avg = 3 Sum = {1,3,5,5} avg= 14/4 = 3.66 I will go with E.



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icandy wrote: If sets S and T are merged into a single set, will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ?
1. S and T are oneelement sets 2. Neither set S nor set T contains negative numbers
I will let you guys discuss this. How ever, The two Set opeartions I remember are union and intersection. How are we supposed to interpret merge. For me merged = combined. 1: S and T are oneelement sets If S = T = 2, mean of the merged set (2, 2) = 2 and sum of the means of sets S and T is 4. If S = 2, and T = 2, mean of the merged set (2, 2) = 0 and sum of the means of sets S and T is 0. If S = 0, and T = 0, mean of the merged set (2, 2) = 0 and sum of the means of sets S and T is 0. NSF.. 2: Neither set S nor set T contains negative numbers If S = T = 2, mean of the merged set (2, 2) = 2 and sum of the means of sets S and T is 4. If S = 0, and T = 0, mean of the merged set (2, 2) = 0 and sum of the means of sets S and T is 0. NSF. Togather alos nsf. E.
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Merge of sets means you need to combine.
S= {1} T= {1,2}
Merge = {1,1,2}



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Both solution 1 and 2 fail the zero test.
S1: S = {0} and T = {0} => Mean of S = 0 and Mean of T = 0 Set ST = {0, 0} => Mean of ST = 0 Thus, S1 is not sufficient.
S2. Neither S nor T contain negative number. Take the same sets: S = {0} and T = {0} S2 is not sufficient.
Answer is E.



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icandy wrote: If sets S and T are united into a single set, will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ? 1. S and T are oneelement sets 2. Neither set S nor set T contains negative numbers Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions s= {1,2,3} mean1 = 2 t= {2,3,4} mean2 = 3 sUt= {1,2,3,4} mean3= 2.5 < mean1 + mean2 s={1,2,3} mean1 = 2 t={2,3,4} mean2 = 3 sUt= {1,2,3,4} mean3 = 2.5 > mean1 + mean2 s={0} mean1 = 0 t = {0} mean2 = 0 sUt = {0} mean3 = 0 = mean1+mean2 hence none of the two stmts solve this questions. Hence E.



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vshrivastava wrote: Both solution 1 and 2 fail the zero test.
S1: S = {0} and T = {0} => Mean of S = 0 and Mean of T = 0 Set ST = {0, 0} => Mean of ST = 0 Thus, S1 is not sufficient.
S2. Neither S nor T contain negative number. Take the same sets: S = {0} and T = {0} S2 is not sufficient.
Answer is E. You only showed that you can answer the question with a definite NO. The question being "will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ?" This sufficiently answers the question as a NO for both cases. In order for the cases to be insufficient, you need to be able answer the question with both a yes and a no.
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friends i understand that both options failed the zero test but why do we need a zero in set
ex a set of 3 pen, 2 pencil and 0 flower we can simply say it a set of 3 pen and 2 pencils, why do we consider something like zero in a set
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hardnstrong wrote: friends i understand that both options failed the zero test but why do we need a zero in set
ex a set of 3 pen, 2 pencil and 0 flower we can simply say it a set of 3 pen and 2 pencils, why do we consider something like zero in a set
Please explain Zero is considered as an entity here. like A has 0 sets of readings 2m , 0m, 1m so zero is the value.
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hardnstrong wrote: friends i understand that both options failed the zero test but why do we need a zero in set
ex a set of 3 pen, 2 pencil and 0 flower we can simply say it a set of 3 pen and 2 pencils, why do we consider something like zero in a set
Please explain "zero" in this case does not imply an empty set; rather, it it a set consisting of an elementdigit 0.
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I think the answer should be C. (1) and (2) says S = {s} (mean = s) and T = {t} (mean = t), united = {s, t} (mean = (s+t)/2) s, t = non negative. Question: s+t < (s+t)/2 ???? If s = t = 0, the answer to the question "will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T?" is NO. If s = 0, t > 0 (and vice versa), the answer to question "will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T?" is NO. If s, t > 0, the answer to the question "will the mean of the set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T?" is still NO. In any case, the answer is still NO. Then (1) and (2) together are sufficient enough. Why is E the correct answer????



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The answer is E. Let A = {2}, B = {3}, So the mean of merge is 2.5, which is < 5 Let A = {1}, B = {1} So the mean of merge is 1, which is equal to mean of either set.
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firasath wrote: vshrivastava wrote: Both solution 1 and 2 fail the zero test.
S1: S = {0} and T = {0} => Mean of S = 0 and Mean of T = 0 Set ST = {0, 0} => Mean of ST = 0 Thus, S1 is not sufficient.
S2. Neither S nor T contain negative number. Take the same sets: S = {0} and T = {0} S2 is not sufficient.
Answer is E. You only showed that you can answer the question with a definite NO. The question being "will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ?" This sufficiently answers the question as a NO for both cases. In order for the cases to be insufficient, you need to be able answer the question with both a yes and a no. I think, vshrivastava has shown that both statement put together also we are getting two answer: one time > and other time =. This much is enough to tell that answer is E.



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icandy wrote: If sets S and T are united into a single set, will the mean of this set be smaller than the sum of means of sets S and T ? 1. S and T are oneelement sets 2. Neither set S nor set T contains negative numbers Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions I will let you guys discuss this. How ever, The two Set opeartions I remember are union and intersection. How are we supposed to interpret merge. Statement 1) S and T are one element sets so let's have Set S = 1 and set T = 2 If we unite set S and T we will get {1,2} and the average of this set is 1.5 If we add the average of set S which equals 1 and the average of set T which equals 2 we get a total of 3 1.5 < 3 YES Now let's assign different values for S and T. Like other people have mentioned if we have set S = 0 and T = 0 we will get an average of 0 Average of united S and T {0,0} = 0 Average of set S {0} = 0; the average of set T {0} = 0 0<0 NO Which means this statement is insufficient Statement 2) If no values are negative we can recycle the values we used for statement 1 and get Insufficient as well Statement 1 & 2 together are also Insufficient The answer is E.
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If S = {a,b} and T = {b,c}, then the mean of the set that results after the merge is x= (a+b+c)/3 and the SUM of the two separate means is y = (a+b)/2 + (b+c)/2. Since we need to verify whether x<y, it has to be a+4b+c>0. Since a,b and c can be thought as the means of the terms that in T and S are and are not common between the two sets, then the second condition itself is enough to guarantee an answer. B



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( 1,2,3) (2,3,4) it says that there is no  ive numbers in either of the sets then the the average of the united set will always be lesser than the sum of the average of individual sets in any case if the united set has repeated numbers ( 1,2,3,2,3,4) or just the distinct numbers ( 1,2,3,4)



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Answer is 'E'.
And the only condition which causes the answer to be 'E' is if both sets contain only '0' i.e. S = {0}, T = {0}, which is perfectly allowable.
Even though the above is a very specific case, it is enough to cause some ambiguity in the solution, thus answer is 'E'.



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no need for such complex calculations, just see both the statements left the possibility of 0 as an element. => {0} + {0} = {0,0} Answer is definitely E











