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Many American cities have been unsuccessful in their efforts "to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums and that treat" them in their local communities.

(b) to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums and treat
(c) to move mental patients out of mammoth

Which is correct and why?
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Their efforts to move X and that treat them
Their efforts that treat them (incoherent)
Their efforts to move X [in order] to treat them (subordination)
Their efforts to move X and [to] treat them (coordination)
Their efforts to move X for [the purpose of] treating them (subordination)

Answer is B, given the original sentence has coordination.

Originally posted by Zhung Gazi on 01 Feb 2004, 22:24.
Last edited by Zhung Gazi on 01 Feb 2004, 23:03, edited 1 time in total.
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01 Feb 2004, 22:56
Sorry - I did not completely type "c".

(c) to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums for treating

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01 Feb 2004, 23:05
Your correct C(italicized) was inserted in my previous post.
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01 Feb 2004, 23:13
You chose (b) ahead of (c) because you wanted to preserve coordination - is that right?

I don't think there is any rule which states that the coordination/subordination implied/stated in the original sentence must be preserved - is there?

On the contrary, the test is to figure out whether coordination or subordination is better for this sentence and choose accordingly.

DOn't you think that in this case subordination makes more sense as "people are moved out of asylums so that they can be treated in their local communities"?

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01 Feb 2004, 23:33
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You chose (b) ahead of (c) because you wanted to preserve coordination - is that right?

This is not the only reason. Except for predication, I consider all other modifications(for exx.. adjective) a sort of subordination. The original sentence has no tinge of "purpose", "result", or "cause"(look at "and that"). "attempts to move", "chance to win", or "need to call" are all kinda non-finite appositive clauses, or whatever you call/analyze, but not purposives.

If you chose purposive/result/cause, you are overreaching. We are asked not to change the original structure/meaning unless you find all ther choices are wrong/incoherent in many other ways.

The other way is to look at the scope of "that treat". In the original it is linked to "efforts", but not to the predicator.

In OG, there are examples re: chosing b/w subordination and coordination( the sloth, OG#163).
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Many American cities have been unsucceessful in thir efforts to move patients out of mammoth asylums and that treat them in thier local communities.

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b) to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums and treat

c) to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums for treating

d) which move mental patients out of mammoth asylums to treat

e) moving mental patients out of mammoth asylums and that treat

What's wrong with c?
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+1 B

If you want to express purpose, you must use "to + verb".
"For v-ing" is not ideal for these situations.
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07 Feb 2012, 07:08
"B"

A = and that treat them - wrong
C = change of meaning
D = efforts and which (and no comma)
E = ing and that is not correct
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08 Feb 2012, 00:46
B is the answer .C changes the meaning of the sentence slightly .Here two different actions need to stressed .First to move the people out of the mental asylums and then to treat them in local communitites .C does not bring in this contrast .Hope it helps .
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13 Feb 2012, 19:18
+1 for B.

"..for treating" is awkward in C.

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13 Feb 2012, 23:32
First thing, try to understand the meaning of the sentence. After comprehending the meaning of the sentence, you will realize that both verbs "treat" & "move" are paralleled items. So, that why choice B is wrong.
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27 Aug 2015, 15:33
B vs C

I selected C initially . But as the OA is B . I came up with the following explanation. In the given sentence "efforts" is plural hence I think we need to show two actions. If effort was singular then may be C would have been correct.

Is my explanation correct ?

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27 Aug 2015, 20:58
is for treating is wrong in C

pls, help explain.
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Seattle_76 wrote:
Many American cities have been unsuccessful in their efforts "to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums and that treat" them in their local communities.

(b) to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums and treat
(c) to move mental patients out of mammoth asylums for treating

Which is correct and why?

chetan2u Can you please explain why C is incorrect.? 'and' in option B creates 2 different actions - have been unsuccessful to move and (have been unsuccessful to) treat. IMO option C fixes that as the efforts to move the mental patients out of the asylums were for treating them in their local communities.
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16 May 2017, 01:32
In B to move and to treat are appearing as separate actions while the intent is to say that the cities were unsuccessful in their efforts to move patients out of asylums for treating them in local communities ( which is rightly communicated in c)

As per b cities have been unsuccessful in their efforts to move patients out of asylums

And cities have been unsuccessful in their efforts to treat them in their local local communities.

Is not b providing a parallelism which is not required cz it's distorting the meaning
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22 May 2017, 07:42
Merged duplicate topics. The full question with all answer choices was posted on 05 Feb 2012 (see post below: https://gmatclub.com/forum/many-america ... l#p1039576)
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22 May 2017, 08:21
Dear expert GMATNinjaTwo,

Is it me missing something or in fact the question has 3 options only as posted?

Also, I have a concern regarding words not underlined in the question. As I understand, "their" refers to "American cities", while "them" refers to "mental patients". As far as I'm concerned, these words must refer to one object only. How can the situation in this question happen?
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Lucy Phuong wrote:
Dear expert GMATNinjaTwo,

Is it me or in fact the question has 3 options only as posted?

Also, I have a concern regarding words not underlined in the question. As I understand, "their" refers to "American cities", while "them" refers to "mental patients". As far as I'm concerned, these words must refer to one object only. How can the situation in this question happen?

The full set of answer choices can be found below: https://gmatclub.com/forum/many-america ... l#p1039576

And, yes, there is some pronoun ambiguity here. This question does not appear to be from a reliable source, so don't worry about it too much!
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GMATNinjaTwo wrote:
Lucy Phuong wrote:
Dear expert GMATNinjaTwo,

Is it me or in fact the question has 3 options only as posted?

Also, I have a concern regarding words not underlined in the question. As I understand, "their" refers to "American cities", while "them" refers to "mental patients". As far as I'm concerned, these words must refer to one object only. How can the situation in this question happen?

The full set of answer choices can be found below: https://gmatclub.com/forum/many-america ... l#p1039576

And, yes, there is some pronoun ambiguity here. This question does not appear to be from a reliable source, so don't worry about it too much!

Thank you, I feel assured now.
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