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Hi can anyone please explain me the answer for Question 2 on prevailing dogma???

shweta234, check out this post.

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@abhimahna,@daagh,@KarishmaB,souvonik2k
Author mentions great work such as lecturing against dogma . He also explains that book was highly praised and mentioned many times by Martin Luther King Jr.IMO he is advocating his work by giving example of the praises by Martin Jr. He also tries to explain that he is qualified because author has done his homework for the court case.
Overall i see more of advocacy than respect in passage.Please help he understand this.
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AnkitOrYadav - I picked B too, but after reading through the thread I can see where I went wrong.

The first thing you should note is that the question asks about the attitude of the author of the passage toward the work Woodward; True, MLK did testify the book’s profound effect, praise the book and quote it frequently. But it was MLK who did those things and not the author. Basically the author mentions that the book was praised but he himself didn’t praise the book. The author does mention that the book was praised by MLK, that the book had a mass readership, that Woodward had an unerring sense of the revolutionary movement. After reading all this I’d choose regard/respect over praise.

Now coming to the word qualified- it has two interpretations: One which means substantiation (such as giving examples - the meaning you’ve mentioned). The other interpretation is explained wonderfully by GMATNinja in one of the posts above. Read this example sentence: “the critic qualified his praise of the book by taking about the book’s loopholes” - in this context "qualified" means giving a sorta proper picture and not blind praise. This usage of the word ‘qualified' is very common in the “purpose of the text/lines” questions in RC. (I conveniently forgot this usage when I was attempting this RC btw)

Be very wary of questions that repeat the verbiage exactly as used in the passage, especially for inference type questions. Such options need to be carefully evaluated.
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it took me 11 ins to do this passage. Is it acceptable? and i got 2 wrong
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Can anyone please give an explanation for Question 1?

Here is the first paragraph of the passage:
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Historians sometimes forget that history is continually being made and experienced before it is studied, interpreted, and read. These latter activities have their own history, of course, which may impinge in unexpected ways on public events. It is difficult to predict when “new pasts” will overturn established historical interpretations and change the course of history.

Let's say that an event occurred in the 1800's -- it is "made and experienced" at that exact time.

Then, a historian comes along and studies, interprets, and reads about that event. His/her work creates an "established historical interpretation" of that event.

Later, another historian decides to study/interpret/read about the same event, and comes up with a different interpretation. This historian has created a new way of looking at the past, which overturns the established historical interpretation. In other words, the work of this latest historian creates a "new past" that differs from the way people previously understood the past event.

This definition of "new pasts" fits well with answer choice (C):
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(C) ["new pasts" can be described as the] change in people’s understanding of the past due to more recent historical writing

(C) is the correct answer to question #1.

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guys can someone explain why OA for question 4 is E not A,
in my understanding the reason is both the works were published during an important historical event.

kindly someone throw some light on it.

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4. The passage suggests that C. Vann Woodward and Thomas Paine were similar in all of the following ways EXCEPT:

(A) Both had works published in the midst of important historical events.
(B) Both wrote works that enjoyed widespread popularity.
(C) Both exhibited an understanding of the relevance of historical evidence to contemporary issues.
(D) The works of both had a significant effect on events following their publication.
(E) Both were able to set aside worries about historical anachronism in order to reach and inspire.

Yes, (A) must be eliminated because both had works published in the midst of important historical events:

  • Woodward's work was published during the civil rights movement.
  • Paine's work was published during the American revolutionary movement.

As for (E), the passage does say that Paine was not concerned with the dangers of historical anachronism. However, we don't know that he was ever really worried about historical anachronism or that he had to set those worries aside. Similarly, we don't know whether Woodward worried about historical anachronism and set those worries aside.

(E) is the best answer.


Dear GMATNinja,

I think the reason why E is correct is not the difference between "not concerned" but "set aside worries", but because of the structural words: "Although....also,...." and then "Yet, like Paine, ...."
It goes something like this: "Although they have something in common (mass readership), Paine is still different from Woodward in that he is not concerned...bla bla. Yet, like Paine, they're still similar in another aspect bla bla...."

So Woodward and Paine share a lot of things, except for things in the second clause of that "Although" sentence: "Paine had intended to reach and inspire: he was not a historian, and thus not concerned with accuracy or the dangers of historical anachronism" -> Woodward DID NOT intend to reach and inspire: Woodward might have been a historian and might have been concerned with accuracy or the dangers of historical anachronism.

Actually I just checked in real life, Woodward was actually a historian! :)

What do you think?
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guys can someone explain why OA for question 4 is E not A,
in my understanding the reason is both the works were published during an important historical event.

kindly someone throw some light on it.

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4. The passage suggests that C. Vann Woodward and Thomas Paine were similar in all of the following ways EXCEPT:

(A) Both had works published in the midst of important historical events.
(B) Both wrote works that enjoyed widespread popularity.
(C) Both exhibited an understanding of the relevance of historical evidence to contemporary issues.
(D) The works of both had a significant effect on events following their publication.
(E) Both were able to set aside worries about historical anachronism in order to reach and inspire.

Yes, (A) must be eliminated because both had works published in the midst of important historical events:

  • Woodward's work was published during the civil rights movement.
  • Paine's work was published during the American revolutionary movement.

As for (E), the passage does say that Paine was not concerned with the dangers of historical anachronism. However, we don't know that he was ever really worried about historical anachronism or that he had to set those worries aside. Similarly, we don't know whether Woodward worried about historical anachronism and set those worries aside.

(E) is the best answer.


Dear GMATNinja,

I think the reason why E is correct is not the difference between "not concerned" but "set aside worries", but because of the structural words: "Although....also,...." and then "Yet, like Paine, ...."
It goes something like this: "Although they have something in common (mass readership), Paine is still different from Woodward in that he is not concerned...bla bla. Yet, like Paine, they're still similar in another aspect bla bla...."

So Woodward and Paine share a lot of things, except for things in the second clause of that "Although" sentence: "Paine had intended to reach and inspire: he was not a historian, and thus not concerned with accuracy or the dangers of historical anachronism" -> Woodward DID NOT intend to reach and inspire: Woodward might have been a historian and might have been concerned with accuracy or the dangers of historical anachronism.

Actually I just checked in real life, Woodward was actually a historian! :)

What do you think?

I think you're onto something! The structure of that sentence does imply that Paine differed from Woodward in that Paine was not a historian and thus was not concerned with accuracy or the dangers of historical anachronism. I might not go as far as to definitively conclude that Woodward was NOT intending to reach and inspire -- I think the key inference is that Woodward was concerned with accuracy/anachronism and Paine was not.

Regardless, we certainly cannot infer that Woodward set aside worries about historical anachronism, and that's enough to eliminate (E). We also can't really infer that Paine set aside worries about historical anachronism, because it doesn't seem like he ever HAD those worries in the first place (since historical anachronism did not concern him).

Thanks for pointing that out!
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we need to know that in 1776, American revolution is still going on. this is not good for me, and for the person dont know of American history. this is not good question. question 3.

question 2 is also not good.
"challenging prevailing dogma" mean that the Jim law contradict " codified traditional practices and erase...". it is better to write "expanding the prevailing dogma".
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PriyankaPalit7 wrote:
Can anyone please give an explanation for Question 1?

Here is the first paragraph of the passage:
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Historians sometimes forget that history is continually being made and experienced before it is studied, interpreted, and read. These latter activities have their own history, of course, which may impinge in unexpected ways on public events. It is difficult to predict when “new pasts” will overturn established historical interpretations and change the course of history.

Let's say that an event occurred in the 1800's -- it is "made and experienced" at that exact time.

Then, a historian comes along and studies, interprets, and reads about that event. His/her work creates an "established historical interpretation" of that event.

Later, another historian decides to study/interpret/read about the same event, and comes up with a different interpretation. This historian has created a new way of looking at the past, which overturns the established historical interpretation. In other words, the work of this latest historian creates a "new past" that differs from the way people previously understood the past event.

This definition of "new pasts" fits well with answer choice (C):

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(C) ["new pasts" can be described as the] change in people’s understanding of the past due to more recent historical writing

(C) is the correct answer to question #1.

I hope that helps!


Why it is not B ?
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Quick summary:
1 para: the article is about the interpretation of history and how the interpretation overruns existing history
2 para: the author provides an example on how CVW provides an alternative interpretation on JC law, and how is the alternative interpretation different from old one. Also mentioned source/origin of CVW's new interpretation.
3 para: CVW himself recognized a limitation of his book/idea. This self-criticism/self-recognition was compared with TP. TP's intention is discussed. CVW's intention is discussed. MLK's praise pointed out.
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Somebody please help with Q3. I didn't understand the meaning of handicaps even when I read the passage. Please somebody explain the meaning in the passage. Also in the last question, please explain why A is wrong.

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3. Which of the following is the best example of writing that is likely to be subject to the kinds of “handicaps” referred to in line 27?

(A) A history of an auto manufacturing plant written by an employee during an auto-buying boom
(B) A critique of a statewide school-desegregation plan written by an elementary school teacher in that state
(C) A newspaper article assessing the historical importance of a United States President written shortly after the President has taken office
(D) A scientific paper describing the benefits of a certain surgical technique written by the surgeon who developed the technique
(E) Diary entries narrating the events of a battle written by a soldier who participated in the battle

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Ten years later, in a preface to the second revised edition, Woodward confessed with ironic modesty that the first edition “had begun to suffer under some of the handicaps that might be expected in a history of the American Revolution published in 1776.”

In this sentence, a "handicap" is a challenge or an obstacle (i.e. "A fear of public speaking is a severe handicap to anyone running for public office.").
In 1776, the American Revolution was in its early stages. It would be difficult to write a history of a revolution while the revolution is still in its early stages. It would be easier to write such a history after the revolution so that you could look back and get the full picture.

Similarly, it would be difficult to assess the historical importance of a US President shortly after that President has taken office (and yes, I'm biting my tongue in a desperate effort keep this forum politically neutral). It would be easier to assess the historical importance of a President after that President's term is over. Hence, choice (C) is the best option.

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6. Which of the following best describes the new idea expressed by C. Vann Woodward in his University of Virginia lectures in 1954?

(A) Southern racial segregation was continuous and uniform.
(B) Black people made considerable progress only after Reconstruction.
(C) Jim Crow legislation was conventional in nature.
(D) Jim Crow laws did not go as far in codifying traditional practice as they might have.
(E) Jim Crow laws did much more than merely reinforce a tradition of segregation.

As for the last question, refer to the following portion: "In the fall of 1954, for example, C. Vann Woodward delivered a lecture series at the University of Virginia which challenged the prevailing dogma concerning the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation in the South."

Woodward challenged the idea that racial segregation in the South was continuous and uniform. Choice (A) represents the "prevailing dogma" that Woodward challenged, not Woodward's new idea.

I hope that helps!


GMATNinja for us to get Q3 right would we not need to have outside knowledge about the American revolution? where can we infer that in 1776 the revolution was still in its early stages?
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According to C. Vann ..Jim crow laws codified traditional practice + effort to erase progress made by black people..

He challenged prevailing dogma when he said this.

So should'nt the prevailing dogma be that jim crows law were passed for uniformity and maintain order ... i.e. option B

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2. It can be inferred from the passage that the “prevailing dogma” (line 10) held that

To answer this question, let’s take a closer look at the text:

    "In the fall of 1954, for example, C. Vann Woodward delivered a lecture series at the University of Virginia which challenged the prevailing dogma concerning the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation in the South.”

"Concerning" means "about." If I mention that I have a belief concerning cat videos, I haven't told you what the content of my belief is. Maybe I love cat videos, or maybe I hate them. Perhaps I have an interesting theory about cat videos and why they’re so popular. Likewise, when the author mentions “the prevailing dogma concerning the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation in the South," we have learned nothing about what the prevailing dogma was. We only know that there was some dominant belief about the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation in the South. Let's keep reading.

    "He argued that the Jim Crow laws of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries not only codified traditional practice but also were a determined effort to erase the considerable progress made by Black people during and after Reconstruction in the 1870’s.

Aha! Vann Woodward argued that Jim Crow not only codified traditional practice, but also meant to erase the progress that black people had made. His argument says that Jim Crow wasn't just turning traditions into law (this was the existing belief about the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation). According to Van Woodward, Jim Crow was also undoing progress that black people had had made during Reconstruction (this was the revisionist view that made a big impact on how people interpreted the continuity of Jim Crow as a traditional practice).

To help understand the logical structure here, consider the following example:
  • Say that the prevailing dogma about butter is that it is bad for your heart. To keep things simple, let's say that this is the only bad thing about butter according to the prevailing view.
  • You then conduct a bunch of research related to butter and conclude that butter also kills brain cells (let's hope not!).
  • You then might say, "Butter is NOT ONLY bad for your heart BUT ALSO bad for your brain!"
  • The "not only" part was the accepted dogma, while the "but also" was something new. This new discovery challenges the existing view, which is that butter is only bad for your heart.
  • Note that you are NOT saying that butter is good for your heart, but you are still challenging the prevailing dogma.

Similarly:
  • The prevailing dogma saw Jim Crow as a continuation of traditional, discriminatory practices.
  • Vann Woodward argued that Jim Crow was also a reversal of Reconstruction.

Let's make sure we review every answer choice and confirm whether it matches this understanding.

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(A) Jim Crow laws were passed to give legal status to well-established discriminatory practices in the South

This matches what we’ve read. At the time, people believed that Jim Crow laws had codified (i.e. made into law) traditional practices of discrimination against black people. Vann Woodward challenged this belief in the historical continuity of racial segregation by arguing that Jim Crow laws also erased the prior progress black people had made during Reconstruction.

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(B) Jim Crow laws were passed to establish order and uniformity in the discriminatory practices of different southern states

Was the point of Jim Crow to reduce differences between individual states? No. Vann Woodward challenged a widely held belief in the historical continuity of Jim Crow, not the geographic continuity of Jim Crow. Eliminate (B).

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(C) Jim Crow laws were passed to erase the social gains that Black people had achieved since Reconstruction

This is what Vann Woodward argued, not the dogma he argued against. Eliminate (C).

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(D) the continuity of racial segregation in the South was disrupted by passage of Jim Crow laws

Both Vann Woodward and people of his time believed that Jim Crow had codified, not disrupted, traditional practices of racial segregation. Eliminate (D).

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(E) the Jim Crow laws of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries were passed to reverse the effect of earlier Jim Crow laws

There is no mention of "earlier" Jim Crow Laws anywhere in the passage. Eliminate (E).

(A) is the best choice available.



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i thought that not only x but also y here would mean that the prevailing dogma was wrong about two things:
1) People thought that he's doing the OPPOSITE of turning traditions into law. Basically the laws were being eradicated. And,
2) people thought that the laws had a considerable effort to improve the conditions of black people

how would we differentiate this understanding from the one mentioned by you?
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Q2, Explained


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Need help with Q2 .
According to C. Vann ..Jim crow laws codified traditional practice + effort to erase progress made by black people..

He challenged prevailing dogma when he said this.

So should'nt the prevailing dogma be that jim crows law were passed for uniformity and maintain order ... i.e. option B

Quote:
2. It can be inferred from the passage that the “prevailing dogma” (line 10) held that

To answer this question, let’s take a closer look at the text:

    "In the fall of 1954, for example, C. Vann Woodward delivered a lecture series at the University of Virginia which challenged the prevailing dogma concerning the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation in the South.”

"Concerning" means "about." If I mention that I have a belief concerning cat videos, I haven't told you what the content of my belief is. Maybe I love cat videos, or maybe I hate them. Perhaps I have an interesting theory about cat videos and why they’re so popular. Likewise, when the author mentions “the prevailing dogma concerning the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation in the South," we have learned nothing about what the prevailing dogma was. We only know that there was some dominant belief about the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation in the South. Let's keep reading.

    "He argued that the Jim Crow laws of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries not only codified traditional practice but also were a determined effort to erase the considerable progress made by Black people during and after Reconstruction in the 1870’s.

Aha! Vann Woodward argued that Jim Crow not only codified traditional practice, but also meant to erase the progress that black people had made. His argument says that Jim Crow wasn't just turning traditions into law (this was the existing belief about the history, continuity, and uniformity of racial segregation). According to Van Woodward, Jim Crow was also undoing progress that black people had had made during Reconstruction (this was the revisionist view that made a big impact on how people interpreted the continuity of Jim Crow as a traditional practice).

To help understand the logical structure here, consider the following example:
  • Say that the prevailing dogma about butter is that it is bad for your heart. To keep things simple, let's say that this is the only bad thing about butter according to the prevailing view.
  • You then conduct a bunch of research related to butter and conclude that butter also kills brain cells (let's hope not!).
  • You then might say, "Butter is NOT ONLY bad for your heart BUT ALSO bad for your brain!"
  • The "not only" part was the accepted dogma, while the "but also" was something new. This new discovery challenges the existing view, which is that butter is only bad for your heart.
  • Note that you are NOT saying that butter is good for your heart, but you are still challenging the prevailing dogma.

Similarly:
  • The prevailing dogma saw Jim Crow as a continuation of traditional, discriminatory practices.
  • Vann Woodward argued that Jim Crow was also a reversal of Reconstruction.

Let's make sure we review every answer choice and confirm whether it matches this understanding.

Quote:
(A) Jim Crow laws were passed to give legal status to well-established discriminatory practices in the South

This matches what we’ve read. At the time, people believed that Jim Crow laws had codified (i.e. made into law) traditional practices of discrimination against black people. Vann Woodward challenged this belief in the historical continuity of racial segregation by arguing that Jim Crow laws also erased the prior progress black people had made during Reconstruction.

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(B) Jim Crow laws were passed to establish order and uniformity in the discriminatory practices of different southern states

Was the point of Jim Crow to reduce differences between individual states? No. Vann Woodward challenged a widely held belief in the historical continuity of Jim Crow, not the geographic continuity of Jim Crow. Eliminate (B).

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(C) Jim Crow laws were passed to erase the social gains that Black people had achieved since Reconstruction

This is what Vann Woodward argued, not the dogma he argued against. Eliminate (C).

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(D) the continuity of racial segregation in the South was disrupted by passage of Jim Crow laws

Both Vann Woodward and people of his time believed that Jim Crow had codified, not disrupted, traditional practices of racial segregation. Eliminate (D).

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(E) the Jim Crow laws of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries were passed to reverse the effect of earlier Jim Crow laws

There is no mention of "earlier" Jim Crow Laws anywhere in the passage. Eliminate (E).

(A) is the best choice available.



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i thought that not only x but also y here would mean that the prevailing dogma was wrong about two things:
1) People thought that he's doing the OPPOSITE of turning traditions into law. Basically the laws were being eradicated. And,
2) people thought that the laws had a considerable effort to improve the conditions of black people

how would we differentiate this understanding from the one mentioned by you?

Question #2 asks us to make an inference about the prevailing dogma, which means that the information won't be explicitly stated in the passage. Instead, we have to piece together clues from the passage to decide what we can and cannot infer.

The biggest hint is that Woodward challenged the prevailing dogma by arguing that Jim Crow laws:
  • NOT ONLY "codified traditional practice"
  • BUT ALSO "were a determined effort to erase the considerable progress made by Black people during and after Reconstruction in the 1870’s."

Here, the author's intent is to provide a contrast between the prevailing dogma and Woodward's argument. So, which interpretation of "not only/but also" fits best with this intention?

The first option is that BOTH the prevailing dogma and Woodward's challenge argue that Jim Crow laws "codified traditional practice," but that Woodward thinks these laws also erased the progress made by Black people. This provides a clear contrast between the two arguments.

The second option is that we have absolutely no idea what the prevailing dogma argued, just that Woodward challenged the argument in two ways. This doesn't provide a great contrast, because we can't cleanly compare Woodward's beliefs to the prevailing dogma. In addition, none of the answer choices can be inferred if you look at it this way -- which is a good clue that you've misinterpreted something in the passage.

By looking at the author's intent, we can surmise that the first option is the correct interpretation of the "not only/but also" construction.

I hope that helps!
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Could someone please help me with Question number 3. It feels very not-GMAT like for them
to expect us to know some information regarding the passage contents. How would
we (non-americans) understand what the word 'handicap' refers to if we do not know that the
American Revolution was ongoing in 1776 or just ended?????
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RB95 wrote:
Hi Everyone,

Could someone please help me with Question number 3. It feels very not-GMAT like for them
to expect us to know some information regarding the passage contents. How would
we (non-americans) understand what the word 'handicap' refers to if we do not know that the
American Revolution was ongoing in 1776 or just ended?????




Hi RB95,

Please refer this answer by expert:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/historians-s ... l#p1950621


Let me know if you still have doubts.
Thanks.
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what is the difficulty level of this passage ??
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